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Bigotry against Mormons apparently acceptable in Utah LDS (OPEN)
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | March 20, 2009

Posted on 03/21/2009 8:22:38 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

Here is the response of a Utahn commenting on a Salt Lake Tribune online blog concerning HBO's attempt in its series "Big Love" to increase its revenues by publicly insulting the religious sensitivity of a minority religion: "Anything that gets the LDS "church's magical Mormon underwear in a twist is all right with me!!"

I write for a regional newspaper in Iowa. During the last election campaign, I suggested that Mitt Romney lost the Iowa caucus to Mike Huckabee primarily due to anti-Mormon bigotry. A reader argued that my opinion had no credence because I was a lay leader in the LDS Church.

The writer was either suggesting that I knew exactly what I was talking about and was therefore credible, or that I shouldn't be believed because I was a Mormon, which implies that the writer was a bigot.

-SNIP-

It is obvious to an outsider that Utah, or at least Salt Lake City, has within itself a deeply held culture of bigotry. A bigotry so ingrained in the cultural norm that the readers posting comments to the newspaper's blogs, apparently believing they are freethinking and ironic, are saying things online that would never be allowed into print if written about other groups.

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To: AuntB
When a forum has gone from trying to accomplish conservative values to degrading some of the best patriots we have, it’s time for me to go.

Watch out for the door...

361 posted on 03/29/2009 6:15:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
 
Because I believe it is true and correct.
 
Why??
 
Even HEADQUARTERS doesn't think that!!!




Oh... in my BoM 1981 edition, on the page with the introduction (4th sheet from front) has these lines...
 
"The record is now published in many languages as a new and additional witness that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that all who will come unto him and obey the laws and ordinances of his gospel may be saved.
 
Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: "I told the brethern that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book."
 
Then I find, just 4 pages past that, under A BRIEF EXPLANATION ABOUT  THE BOOK OF MORMON, I found this at the bottom of the page...
 
About this edition: Some minor errors in the text have been perpetrated in past editions of the Book of Mormon.  This edition contains corrections that seem appropriate to bring the material into conformity with prepublication manuscripts and early editions edited by the Prophet Joseph Smith.
 
 
Interesting!

362 posted on 03/29/2009 6:17:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
Pumkinist = Presbyterian
 
 

Opie: "Guess where I been!"

Andy: "Well I give up. Where?"

Opie: "I can't tell ya. But ya know what I did? I joined a club!"

Andy: "Well that's fine. What club was that?"

Opie: "I can't tell ya."

Andy: "You're kinda' secret ain't ya?"

Opie: "Uh huh. Know where we meet?"

Andy: "No. Where?"

Opie: "I can't tell ya. I got a job in the club too."

Andy: "You have?"

Opie: "Know what it is?"

Andy: "No. What?"

Opie: "I can't tell ya."

Barney: "Doggone it, why can't you tell us?"

Opie: "Well, I can't tell ya why I can't tell ya."

Andy: "For heaven sakes, why not?"

Opie: "'Cause somethin' would happen to me."

Andy: "What would happen to ya?"

Opie: "I can't tell ya. ...Well, so long. I just thought I'd come by and tell ya."

 

 

MORMONS = ???


363 posted on 03/29/2009 6:20:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
Ah, if there were only such proof about the REFORMED Egyptians...
364 posted on 03/29/2009 6:22:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
Classic cop-out and obfuscation.

No; typical of one who is afraid of losing EVERYTHING in his world if what he believes is NOT true.

Denial is NOT a 'reformed' river in Egypt.

365 posted on 03/29/2009 6:25:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut

Apparently he has ruffled some feathers in the archaeology field with his revised chronology, but it has apparently stimulated a review of the data in some ways.


366 posted on 03/29/2009 6:29:54 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: Elsie; AuntB

When a forum has gone from trying to accomplish conservative values to degrading some of the best patriots we have, it’s time for me to go.

Watch out for the door...


Hey do you think she is one of these guys?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2217619


367 posted on 03/29/2009 6:34:20 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Godzilla

Apparently he has ruffled some feathers in the archaeology field with his revised chronology, but it has apparently stimulated a review of the data in some ways.


He has ruffled a lot of feathers. Even some “feathers” I know personally and have worked with. Funny thing about Egyptology (far more than other areas of History and Arch) is that new things are constantly being found and ideas changed. I had a friend who wrote an Egyptology textbook and she lamented that she had to keep revising as she was writing because “conventional wisdom” was always changing.

I am not entirely on board with all of his changes to the chronology, but he makes some very convincing arguments and is becoming more accepted, IMO.


368 posted on 03/29/2009 6:40:45 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I was aware of a second time line (other than Ramseys), but am going to have to get the whole book and read it some time (unless more discoveries make it out of date LOL)


369 posted on 03/29/2009 6:44:50 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: Godzilla

Just don’t start reading E.A Wallis Budge. lol.

UCLA used to have (maybe still do) a “Budge burning” every year. The only time I have EVER agreed with a book burning.


370 posted on 03/29/2009 6:49:35 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Well, some are at least still available here -

http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/b#a2338


371 posted on 03/29/2009 6:54:45 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: Godzilla

*cry*. Budge is HATED by ALL Egyptologists (and many other historians). But I guess it is necessary to show how bad he really was.

Fave line from Stargate: “What did you use to translate this... Budge?


372 posted on 03/29/2009 6:59:11 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I had to do a quick google, Budge is not familiar, but the Stargate comment jumped right out LOL.


373 posted on 03/29/2009 7:09:59 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: Godzilla

Budge had an entire “Book of the dead”. He cut it up, did not number the pieces, and framed them for his office. It took several years to piece them back together and required the use of microscopes and digital imaging to get the sequence correct. His “translation” is completely wrong. Raymond O. Faulkner is the one who did a translation of the correct order.

Budge was also involved in quite a bit of antiquities theft. It has been estimated that over 50% of the British Museums Egyptian antiquities were black market or stolen.


374 posted on 03/29/2009 7:19:10 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I saw book of the dead listed as his. Wow, what a gross mishandling of the document.


375 posted on 03/29/2009 7:22:54 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: reaganaut

I could almost picture him as the bad guy opposite of Indiana Jones


376 posted on 03/29/2009 7:23:31 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: Godzilla

I saw book of the dead listed as his. Wow, what a gross mishandling of the document.


You wanna see an Egyptologist explode? Just mention Budge and “Book of the dead” and stand back.

I often thought that the Indy villains were representative of Budge and Howard Carter. Find a copy of “the Rape of Tutankhamen.” You will be horrified.


377 posted on 03/29/2009 7:29:23 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
You wanna see an Egyptologist explode? Just mention Budge and “Book of the dead” and stand back.

I'll keep that in mind LOL

I often thought that the Indy villains were representative of Budge and Howard Carter. Find a copy of “the Rape of Tutankhamen.” You will be horrified.

If I find free time!!

378 posted on 03/29/2009 7:32:09 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: Godzilla

There is NEVER enough free time to read. When I first started grad school, I asked a prof how to get all the reading done (about 1500 pp per week). She responded, “Learn to speed read”. I said “but I DO speed read”. She then said “Learn to speed read....FASTER”.


379 posted on 03/29/2009 7:39:58 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I speed read, but haven’t measured it (how else can I keep up with things here). But there is a limit to my ‘buffer’ capacity. Trying to get through some CS lewis and you CAN’T speed read that!


380 posted on 03/29/2009 7:42:31 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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