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To: rollo tomasi
I will give you the Muslim angle but you don't have much after the 30 Years' War when it comes to huge religious outbreaks.

Well, that's a HUGE angle; an angle pretty much responsible for most of the conflict on the globe, and it's strictly a religious issue.

But you've still got the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the Crimean War, and the conflict on the Indian subcontinent after the British left; those are just a few that come to mind.

Granted, authoritarian socialism and Marxism picked up the violence and bloodshed where religion left off, but people like Stalin were able to capitalize on the credulity of a religious populace (The Tsar was considered a demigod) and shift its focus to the state rather than the church.

Christian violence died down after the 30 Years War as the West became more secular. Do you think religion has helped Europe become a more peaceful continent in the late 20th century?

Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il-Sung, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler did not murder millions in the name of Epicurus, Spinoza, Jefferson, Robert Ingersoll, or Einstein.

39 posted on 03/18/2009 11:21:54 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
“Well, that's a HUGE angle;”

For them (For over 1300 years) but what religion is the other side promoting? The fact that Western civilization has tolerated as well as wanting to work with Muslim states is continually met with resistance. Their fault not ours.

“But you've still got the Troubles in Northern Ireland”

Wow, I thought it was about the Irish wanting to be self-autonomous in N. Ireland. Of course you have the Catholic/Protty element but the core is not religious.

“the Crimean War”

Great Britain was a Catholic bastion and an ally of not only France but the Vatican at the time? Wow! Was basically a mixture of religious as well as acquiring/preventing of strategic land masses (By Russia).

“Christian violence died down after the 30 Years War as the West became more secular.”

ROTFL

Wars between countries over religion died down but Europe after 1648 was hardly secular. Nation States absorbed religious pluralism, tolerance grew somewhat and the Enlightenment “freed” the individual but people still worshiped along with “the State” well into the 18th century in several countries.

“Do you think religion has helped Europe become a more peaceful continent in the late 20th century?”

No, forward-deployed weapons that could annihilate cities with one shot is what keeps “the peace” and prevents serious hot wars from occurring. Lack of faith in God will lead to decay from within and history will repeat itself again with...

“Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il-Sung, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, and Hitler did not murder millions in the name of Epicurus, Spinoza, Jefferson, Robert Ingersoll, or Einstein.”

They just filled the void from a population which turned their backs on God. Same like today, some central authority will “stimulate” the reprobates.

40 posted on 03/18/2009 12:20:25 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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