Pope Benedict will not visit Israeli museum which denigrates Pius XII

CatholicNewsAgency ^ | Rome, Italy, Mar 7, 2009

[GonzoII]

Pope Benedict will not visit Israeli museum which denigrates Pius XII

Pope Benedict XVI

Rome, Italy, Mar 7, 2009 / 07:18 pm (CNA).- The Israeli ambassador to the Holy See on Friday said that Pope Benedict XVI will not visit Israel’s Holocaust Museum which accuses Pope Pius XII of inaction on the Holocaust. The news comes as a researcher announced on Friday that he had discovered a message from Pius XII that ordered monasteries to give refuge to Jews.

During the Pope’s May 8-15 trip, the pontiff will attend a memorial ceremony at the Yad Vasdhem site but will not visit the museum itself, Ambassador Mordechai Levi told the Italian news agency ANSA. Instead, the Pope, accompanied by Israeli President Shimon Peres, will light a remembrance fire and make a speech.

A caption of a Pope Pius XII exhibit at the museum reads:

“Even when reports about the murder of Jews reached the Vatican, the pope did not protest, either verbally or in writing. In December 1942, [Pius XII] abstained from signing the Allied declaration condemning the extermination of the Jews. When Jews were deported from Rome to Auschwitz, the pope did not intervene.

"The pope maintained his neutral position throughout the war, with the exception of appeals to the rulers of Hungary and Slovakia toward its end. His silence and the absence of guidelines obliged churchmen throughout Europe to decide on their own how to react."

Despite Pope Pius XII’s wartime actions which saved many Jews from Nazi persecution, he has been persistently attacked by some critics who adopt the same line of attack as the caption in Yad Vashem.

The Holy See’s representative to Israel has objected to the caption, as have other Catholics. Ambassador Levi’s comments came after reports that the exhibit caption might be changed.

A debate at Yad Vashem will reportedly take place on Sunday and Monday. The gathering will look at Pius XII in light of the latest historical evidence.

Organizers said the conference will see “if there is something new or something which has to be completely revised” because of new research, ANSA reports.

Recently, Fr. Peter Gumpel, the promoter of Pope Pius XII’s cause of beatification, revealed a note by Pope Pius XII from the archives of a Roman monastery which directly ordered monasteries to shelter persecuted Jews.

“The Holy Father wishes to save his children, the Jews as well, and orders that the Monasteries provide hospitality to these persecuted people,” the November 1943 note reads.

Speaking to Vatican Radio, Fr. Gumpel said there are “numerous oral testimonies” from priests, nuns and others about the Pope’s actions during World War II, but Pius XII’s detractors often demand written evidence.

Fr. Gumpel argued that it would have been dangerous to commit such orders to paper in a time of war and hostility.

He said the rediscovered note could be useful in countering “those who persistently denigrate Pius XII and attack the Catholic Church.”

Yad Vashem’s controversial caption appeared in 2005 when a new museum was unveiled. In 2007, Vatican Ambassador to Israel Archbishop Antonio Franco refused to attend the annual Holocaust remembrance ceremony at Yad Vashem because of the caption.

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[Zionist Conspirator]

OK, play it your way Genocide denial.

Kindly point out where I "denied" the mass murder of non-Jews by the Nazis? (And btw, I am a non-Jew.).

Thank you. You should also keep an eye on someone who thinks that homosexuality is a capital crime in the name of religion.

Male homosexuality is a capital crime under the Laws of G-d. There is nothing that you, I, or anyone else can do about this. However, I doubt that any Nazi courts were Noachide courts (which require only eyewitnesses and accept neither confessions nor circumstantial evidence and which permits non-Jews to execute only via "the sword").

[GonzoII]

"What I am saying is that the term "Holocaust" and its equivalents refer specifically to the attempt to eradicate the Jewish People from all of Europe, and perhaps from the rest of the world as well."

I understand your point and don't deny it. I was wondering if you could refer me to some "cool-headed" websites that go into the Holocaust, showing orders from Hitler and other documents and such? I could search myself but perhaps you've searched around already..

"What is the term for people slaughtered by Stalin? By Genghis Khan? By Attila the Hun? By Mao? By Pol Pot? By Basil the Bulgar Slayer? "

They are victims of Me, myself and "I"sm, stoked on by Satan; as the unborn know are.

In fairness to those who say Gypsies and others were also victims of the Holocaust, I was also wondering if there are any documents showing a "final solution" for them also? If there are it seems they would be just in complaining, if they have, that the Holocaust issue has been turned into a Jewish matter only.

[Zionist Conspirator]

There were gypsies who were not persecuted by the Nazis, just as many prison camp guards were homosexuals. And if all the Slavs disappeared, what would happen to their slaves?

The Jews were, are, and ever will be the absolute center of the worldview of all Nazis (hence their cooperation with moslems even today).

[GonzoII]

know are.=now are.

[Alamo-Girl]

When most of us use term Holocaust we are referring to the Endlösung der Judenfrage - the "Final Solution of the Jewish Problem."

And yes, there are documents showing it was official policy. Google for "Heydrich-Endlosung.jpg"

And for a summary in English, you might try this: What was the final solution?

On the other point being discussed, the killing of massive numbers of people, I strongly recommend Rummel's research on democide (which is exhaustive on his website and therefore difficult to navigate) - but is summarized here

[GonzoII]

Thanks for the links.

[SJackson]

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[NYer]

Catholic ping!

[M. Espinola]

The truth always hurts.

[PAR35]

Saying the Holocaust was a Jewish issue is a form of Holocaust denial. Only about half of the folks exterminated by the Nazis were Jewish.

And while you are listing the collaborators, don’t forget the Jewish leaders who collaborated with the Nazis, some under duress, some more freely.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/judenrat.html

[PAR35]

showing orders from Hitler

Hitler never signed any of the documents setting the 'Final Solution' into motion. It stretches credulity, however, to suggest that he was unaware of what was being carried out in his name.

[RobbyS]

There is no doubt that Hitler’s strange obsession with the Jews was one of the cornerstone’s of his policy. It went far beyond antisemticism, displaying a hatred that was personal and deep-rooted.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Saying the Holocaust was a Jewish issue is a form of Holocaust denial.

It's really tiresome to have to say this over and over again.

Hitler had some eleven million human beings murdered. No one is denying that. But the Jewish people were the object of his deepest hate and the term "the Holocaust" and its equivalents refers specifically to the attempt to eradicate the Jewish nation from the face of the earth as his ancient `Amaleqi ancestors also tried to do.

To refer to this position, that "the Holocaust" refers specifically to the attempt to exterminate the Jews (G-d forbid!) and not to all the other victims, as "Holocaust denial" is on a par with comparing Israel to the Nazis (G-d forbid!).

[Zionist Conspirator]

There is no doubt that Hitler’s strange obsession with the Jews was one of the cornerstone’s of his policy. It went far beyond antisemticism, displaying a hatred that was personal and deep-rooted.

He was a descendant of the evil `Amaleq. The destruction of Israel, in order to prove that the world is purposeless and random, is `Amaleq's undying mission until they are destroyed utterly (may this happen immediately!).

[Petronski]

This is a card that belongs at Original Dissent, Liberty Forum, or Stormfront, not at Free Republic.

Don't leave out IHR (spit!).

[Petronski]

Many righteous people who saved Jews from the Holocaust have a tree planted in their name at Yad Vashem.

In a just and honest world, Pius XII would need a forest to pay him tribute.

860,000

[lucias_clay]

To add some detail to the raging debate above about the definition of the word holocaust. A dictionary definition follows :

1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.
2. a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering.
3. (usually initial capital letter) the systematic mass slaughter of European Jews in Nazi concentration camps during World War II (usually prec. by the).
4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.

[Hacksaw]

Rome, Italy, Mar 7, 2009 / 07:18 pm (CNA).- The Israeli ambassador to the Holy See on Friday said that Pope Benedict XVI will not visit Israel’s Holocaust Museum which accuses Pope Pius XII of inaction on the Holocaust. The news comes as a researcher announced on Friday that he had discovered a message from Pius XII that ordered monasteries to give refuge to Jews.

Good for him. Why on earth should he be expected to endorse a lie?

[Zionist Conspirator]

Thank you, Petronski.

[Petronski]

Reading your posts, I think I have found the first issue on which we agree profoundly.

There had to be at least one, right?