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To: delacoert
That question is backwards since believers at Antioch were first called saints, then they were referred to as Christians.

Well the Bible says different the name Saint was used in the OT and NT way before the name Christian appears 3 times in the NT.

This reference was first given to believers in Jesus Christ at Antioch in Syria, about A.D. 43

This is 10 years after the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Acts 11
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. about A.D. 43

Acts 26:
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1 Pet. 4:
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

But the Book of Mormon it would support your premise of being used before that time

Alma 46
Amalickiah conspires to be king—Moroni raises the title of liberty—He rallies the people to defend their religion—True believers are called Christians—A remnant of Joseph shall be preserved—Amalickiah and the dissenters flee to the land of Nephi—Those who will not support the cause of freedom are put to death. Between 73 and 72 B.C.

12 And it came to pass that he rent his coat; and he took a piece thereof, and wrote upon it—In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children—and he fastened it upon the end of a pole.

13 And he fastened on his head-plate, and his breastplate, and his shields, and girded on his armor about his loins; and he took the pole, which had on the end thereof his rent coat, (and he called it the title of liberty) and he bowed himself to the earth, and he prayed mightily unto his God for the blessings of liberty to rest upon his brethren, so long as there should a band of Christians remain to possess the land—

14 For thus were all the true believers of Christ, who belonged to the church of God, called by those who did not belong to the church.

15 And those who did belong to the church were faithful; yea, all those who were true believers in Christ took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians as they were called, because of their belief in Christ who should come.

9 posted on 02/28/2009 1:23:01 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
Well the Bible says different the name Saint was used in the OT and NT way before the name Christian appears 3 times in the NT.

But that's what I just...

...oh nevermind. <rolleyes>

11 posted on 02/28/2009 1:38:56 PM PST by delacoert
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To: restornu

But the Book of Mormon it would support your premise of being used before that time
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Resty, the article is about Christians...

Only the name of Christians, and Christianity, and the Bible and books on Christianity by Christians are mentioned ...

No other book or religion is mentioned...


22 posted on 03/01/2009 10:48:08 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu; delacoert; Tennessee Nana; svcw; greyfoxx39
Acts 11:26: And the disciples were called Christians FIRST in Antioch

Resty, you cite Alma 46:16 as claiming another "first" titling of Christians 70+ years before Christ was even born.

There can't be two "firsts" 70+ years apart. Therefore YOU and all other LDS are claiming that Dr. Luke was mistaken.

Since Alma seems to have a "penchant" for continually quoting perfect 17th-century English phrase by phrase, I'll take Luke over Alma, anytime, as being the originator. Here's just a 11-chapter example of Alma's 17th-century English phrase "thefts":
Alma 9:15 -- quotes book of Luke 82 years before Christ is born -- "it shall be more tolerable for them in that day" (Luke 10:12)
Alma 9:22 -- "sickness and all manner of diseases" --> Matt. 10:1
Alma 9:25 -- Quotes Matthew way ahead of his birth "Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven" (Matt 4:17) "prepare ye the way of the Lord" (Matt. 3:3)
Alma 9:30 -- Quotes Matthew again ahead of his birth, "bring forth works which are meet for repentance" (Matt 3:8)
Alma 11:37 -- "no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom" --> similar to Eph. 5:5
Alma 12:14 -- "the rocks and the mountains to fall upon us to hide us" --> similar to Rev. 6:16
Alma 12:17 -- "lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascended" --> from Rev. 19:20
Alma 14:19 --> episode resembles John 19:9-10
Alma 14:22 -- "they were bound with strong cords, and confined in prison" --> similar to Acts 16:23
Alma 14:26-27 --> similar to Acts 16:25-26
Alma 19:10 -- well, see Luke 7:9 for resemblance and please note, as one writer said, "that The Book of Mormon here is proposing is that Jesus plagiarized His declaration from Ammon, being that Ammon allegedly spoke these words nearly a century before Christ. This would make Jesus' words most trifling. (see John 7:46)." (Colleen Ralson, pp. 34-35, "Color Me Confused")

Exactly. Resty, I challenge you: If you think Luke copied Alma, do you also think Jesus in Luke 7:9 copied Ammon (Alma 19:10)? Do you think Jesus was a plagiarist?

25 posted on 03/01/2009 1:28:17 PM PST by Colofornian
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