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To: netmilsmom

Have you ever wondered why Jesus told Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man” (Matthew 16:23)?

Note that that is just a few verses AFTER Jesus said, “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

So Peter, supposedly the first Pope, was not infallible in areas of doctrine, even AFTER his supposed commission as such.


28 posted on 02/17/2009 3:20:30 PM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Theo

Then, I guess Jesus made a mistake in building His Church and giving the keys.


29 posted on 02/17/2009 3:29:38 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Theo

Or He really did build a Church which he gates of hell shall not prevail against.


30 posted on 02/17/2009 3:31:34 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Theo

>>So Peter, supposedly the first Pope, was not infallible in areas of doctrine, even AFTER his supposed commission as such.<<

Silly, Jesus had to died to form the church. He hadn’t died yet or his Earthly body wouldn’t have talked to Peter.

JPII died and B16 became Pope. I hope this helps you understand.


36 posted on 02/17/2009 4:09:18 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Theo

You are seriously mistaken.

You wrote:

“Have you ever wondered why Jesus told Peter, “Get behind me, Satan!”

Nope. It was plain as day why.

“Note that that is just a few verses AFTER Jesus said, “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it...”

Yep, it is.

“So Peter, supposedly the first Pope, was not infallible in areas of doctrine, even AFTER his supposed commission as such.”

No. 1) There was no “commissioning” yet. The text clearly promises it is a future event. Just as John 1:42 was in the future at the beginning of John’s gospel too.
2) No doctrine was involved. Peter was rebuked for his thickheadedness, his lack of understanding, not for being fallible over a doctrine. 3) And since Peter was not yet left as head of the Church after the Ascension there was no infallibility involved anyway.

It amazes me how Protestants always attack infallibility but can’t even get the basics right about what it IS.


56 posted on 02/17/2009 6:02:58 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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