Posted on 02/03/2009 4:30:34 PM PST by tcg
Time to renounce him as founder and move on.
There was already reason enough several years ago was there not?
The Monsignor/pastor of my dad’s Church had a mistress and two children. Nothing new under the sun...
My first reaction was relief that at least he wasn’t a gay child molester.
The order he founded has done great good, however. Also, Regnum Christi is very helpful to many laypeople in my barren diocese. And until I read the above article, I didn’t realize the National Catholic Register is owned by the Legionaries.
He seems to have done good in spite of himself. Many of the Renaissance Popes lived very corrupt personal lives, but they never denied doctrine or taught false doctrine, and in many cases, they encouraged and supported saints, founders of religious congregations, missionaries and evangelical movements. So while Maciel’s personal sins are awful, and his lying about them even worse, for some reason, he was able to do great good.
I think had discipline in the Church been better during the first years of his group, he might not have come to this end. But the Devil like a roaring lion goes about seeking whom he may destroy, and perhaps Fr. Maciel became proud and arrogant because of his work and, with no one to watch him closely, fell pray to Satan in the crudest ways. Good did come out of what he started, and he is already under discipline by the Pope, so I’m not sure what more can be done - other than to focus on the good and leave him to be forgotten.
Vlad, is this really a big deal? Its seems much ado about nothing to me.
Well, this scandal sorta conflicts with the other scandal they’ve been pushing hard (that he was a homosexual pedophile). Yes, there are bisexuals, but this is an entirely separate profile than that of the other scandal.
Sounds like McBrien and Greeley.
Like the Soviets rewriting the history books so that Trotskiy never existed? How colorful.
If this hasn't been proven yet, shouldn't there be any hesitation about trashing him?
Previously, he had been accused of being a homosexual pedophile and now he has a mistress and fathered at least one child. That is a double life.
I still think some caution should be exercised before he's "convicted."
I think it has something to do with the recommunication of some of the Bishops John Paul II excommunicated in the 80’s.
Conservative Catholics are less then thrilled about some of the comments the Legionaires of Christ made concerning the reinstatement and Williamson’s later really horrific interview given to the BBC..
I’m sorry. I honestly didn’t realize this was news. I thought this came out more than a year ago.
Although it is remotely possible, it is more than likely an urban myth. Please tell us the name of the pastor or the parish so we can check it out.
No ice-picks involved, so it won't even make CNN Headline News.
You wrote:
“Vlad, is this really a big deal? Its seems much ado about nothing to me.”
It’s hard to say in a way. After all, Marcel was thought to be gay just a few years ago and he was essentially forcibly retired. Now that it has been discovered that his transgressions were even more complicated than previously known it might be a really good thing for his order to can him as their spiritual founder. In other words, this order, which is so popular in the Church and has accomplished so much in such a short time could have a rebirth from the shadow that’s been hanging over it the last few years by dropping Marcel.
I know a priest, a really solid priest, whose brother is a priest in the LoC. I wonder what he’s thinking about all of this. At one time he too was in the order, but left it to be a diocesan priest instead. I’ll have to ask him tomorrow at Mass if I get the chance.
“Its hard to say in a way. After all, Marcel was thought to be gay just a few years ago and he was essentially forcibly retired.”
Well, I don’t know any of the players or the history which it appears is at least part of why I don’t see what the big deal is. I will say this, sometimes I think some Latins attribute far too much “holiness” to some of the “higher ups” in The Church. Human beings, especially those high up in the hierarchy of The Church attract powerful demons and many, very many, haven’t the spiritual strength to resist. To my jaded Eastern eyes, this is sadly not at all remarkable...nor does it shake my Faith in the least.
Don't relax too much.
That is why it is best to honor the collar, but remember that they are, indeed, human beings. I don't at all go in for the personality cults which develop around leaders, religious or secular.
I would never make light of his sins but he who is without sin cast the first stone.
We are all such sinners, that is why we need Christ who is our only perfection.
“I don’t at all go in for the personality cults which develop around leaders, religious or secular.”
Me either, it seems that either the leader or the followers begin to see the leader as the messiah.
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