Is the Bible God's Word? (Do you believe the Bible is the only word of God?)

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[Stourme]

THE CATHOLIC BIBLE

Holding the "Douay" Roman Catholic Version of the Bible aloft in my hand, I ask, "Do YOU accept THIS Bible as the Word of God?" For reasons best known to themselves, the Catholic Truth Society have published their Version of the Bible in a very short, stumpy form. This Version is a very odd proportion of the numerous Versions in the market today. The Christian questioner is taken aback. "What Bible is that?" he asks. "Why, I thought you said that there was only ONE Bible!" I remind him. "Y-e-s," he murmurs hesitantly, "but what Version is that?" "Why, would that make any difference?" I enquire. Of course it does, and the professional preacher knows that it does. He is only bluffing with his "ONE Bible" claim.

The Roman Catholic Bible was published at Rheims in 1582, from Jerome's Latin Vulgate and reproduced at Douay in 1609. As such the RCV (Roman Catholic Version) is the oldest Version that one can still buy today. Despite its antiquity, the whole of the Protestant world, including the "cults"* condemn the RCV because it contains seven extra "books" which they contemptuously refer to as the "apocrypha" i.e. of DOUBTFUL AUTHORITY. Notwithstanding the dire warning contained in the Apocalypse, which is the last book in the RCV (renamed as "Revelation" by the Protestants), it is "revealed":

". . . If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall add unto him the plagues written in this Book." (Revelation 22:18-19)

But who cares! They do not really believe! The Protestants have bravely expunged seven whole books from their Book of God! The outcasts are:

The Book of Judith
The Book of Tobias
The Book of Baruch
The Buck of Esther, etc.
* This disparaging title is given by the orthodox to Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventists and a thousand other sects and denominations with whom they do not see eye to eye.

[P-Marlowe]

Exalted is a relative word and in comparison to what we have here as opposed to what is available in heaven.

Thank you for your reply. In reviewing your previous posts I did notice that you had given short shrift to the idea that someone might go through the trials of life only to be given the eternal reward of being in a heavenly choir for eternity. Your words were as follows: "God doesn’t put us through the tests of mortal life just to assign us to sing in the heaven choir for the rest of eternity."

While we can speculate all we want about what heaven is going to be, I can state with assurance that if God were to reward me with a chance to sing in the choir in heaven for eternity, I would be eternally grateful.

As a sinner I deserve to be cast into hell. The only reason I will ever be able to remain in the presence of God is because I will have been washed white and my sins erased by the precious blood of Christ.

To be invited to sing praises before the Throne of God for eternity in his presence is an honor I am not worthy to granted. I can only hope that this would be my reward.

The only honor that could exceed that would be the opportunity to be chosen to be part of the worship band. :-)

[usconservative]

If I read your original post correctly, the statement was there are "many mansions in heaven."

As I look at the NKJV (I do not have an original KJV available to me) the statement is "In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."

In the NIV it's "rooms", in the NLT it's "rooms" and in the NRSV the word "dwellings" is used.

I don't want to get into a nit over this because in my view it's a language issue. The entire reason we have an NIV, NLT, KJV, NKJV, etc.. etc.. etc.. is because as our own language has matured, each of these different "translations" seeks to find the word that's the closest to the original Greek, which is what the New Testament was written in.

As for me, I don't care if I have a shack, a lean-to or a mansion in Heaven - as long as I'm with my heavenly Father that's all that matters to me.

[Elsie]

 

Clearly there is no intent to have an honest discussion and it's best for me to spend my time elsewhere.

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[Stourme]

Thanks for responding. Now could you answer the question that I actually asked?

I most certainly did answer your question by quoting Ephesians 2:8-9 and 2:8-10 in context.

That's not an answer. That's a quotation of the writings of Paul, which is open to anyone's interpretation.

The question was posed to you and your personal belief.

Do ->YOU<- believe that we will be judged by our works?

There are a lot of possible answers, but off the top of my head...yes and no come to mind.

[Tennessee Nana]

Your wonderful Post # 266 was read by those who welcomed the edification...

And the lurkers would have read some of it...

Thanks,

Nana

:)

[caseinpoint]

I agree that the ultimate honor will be to be in our Father’s presence in eternity. I have tried to answer your specific questions as best as I can. If you want more answers, go to www.lds.org and check out articles and other information. It is the best source for official church doctrines and practices. But you must admit that the concept of a private space, whether a room, mansion, shack or any other thing seems somewhat terrestial in nature. After all, rooms are either for privacy or segregation. If we are not subject to death, need rest or the material things of life, why should we need a room of our own?

But, actually Heaven is something we can only speculate about in the details. I remain assured that Heaven exists and that the Lord is doing everything He can to bring as many of His children to Him as are willing to come. That is good news for us all.

I’ve enjoyed chatting with you.

[caseinpoint]

It would indeed by an honor to sing the praises of the Lord but we believe He has much more in store for us if we will but do His will. I find it hard to believe that our gifts of talents, interests, familial connections and skills, however poor, will not be put to use in the hereafter. Will we now be able to use our wisdom, our patience, our mercy with others? Are all those developments merely to be used here on earth to qualify us for just one thing forever? Yes, we don’t even deserve that one thing but I have a feeling the Lord doesn’t waste resources, including those in His children. Besides, you wouldn’t want to hear me singing at all. ;o)

[Tennessee Nana]

If we are not subject to death, need rest or the material things of life, why should we need a room of our own?
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You would need to ask Jesus that question

He is the One Who said...

Jhn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also. John 14:2, 3

place... in those verses...in the Greek is topos... a spot, a location, a home..

mansion in the Greek....monay...a staying, (residence) a mansion..

so Jesus has mansions in Heaven ready for us

:)

[Tennessee Nana]

# 308

[caseinpoint]

I didn’t question the existence of Heavenly mansions. The poster to whom I was responding had asked a question about logic in Heaven and I responded with another logical question about the need for those mansions. We will all someday discover the real meaning of that scripture and we will all praise the Lord for His goodness and mercy, even those of us who many of you believe will end up in Hell since every knee will bow and every tongue confess the Lord, regardless of where he or she ends up. Peace to you and may your mansion be bigger than anyone else’s.;o)

[Tennessee Nana]

Peace to you and may your mansion be bigger than anyone else’s.;o)
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In other words you think you deserve a bigger one than me or any other Christian...

I dont remember any Christian here being concerned about the size of the mansion...

We are just joyful that we will get meet Jesus the Lord and will worship God the Father at His throne...

forever...

[usconservative]

Thanks for an excellent post and the original Greek word “topos” and “monay”.

[P-Marlowe]

Besides, you wouldn’t want to hear me singing at all. ;o)

When I go to church I like to sit in the rows where there aren't any people directly behind me. Once in a while you will get some guy who couldn't carry a tune with an earthmover who is so excited about Jesus that he tries to belt out every song like a Caruso wannabee and he'll sing into your ear at 100 decibels in a whole different key than the rest of the congregation. As a musician, I find that quite unbearable.

As my eternal punishment for being annoyed by these enthusiastic worshipers, I'm sure God will assign a whole group of these people to sit right behind me forever in the eternal Heavenly Chorus.

He that has ears to hear, let him cover them.

I guess if they are going to be there forever, they will probably learn to sing in the right key.... eventually.

[caseinpoint]

Check over your shoulder. It might be me singing off key. I have a daughter whose hearing is awesome and she has, I think, been gifted with perfect pitch. Even as a toddler in my arms as I sang in church, she would slap her hand over my mouth. I got the message. Maybe that is my antipathy to heavenly choir singing. On the other hand, if I could write the lyrics, that would be cool.

[Godzilla]

I have studied the Bible and taught it for several years, especially the Old Testament.

That is nice, then how can you actually make the following statement with a straight face?

It is a fulfillment of Ezekiel’s vision in Ezekiel 37:15-19 to have two records form one testimony of Christ.

The passage itself interprets the prophecy. It is talking about the nation of Israel that split into two nations after Solomon.

Ezek 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

You need to read the entire context of the passage, to pluck out only a desired part does violence to the whole.

[caseinpoint]

Ezekiel is speaking about the last days, when Ephraim and Judah will be joined again into one nation. The Book of Mormon is one of the records of the Tribe of Joseph (actually, Ephraim and Manasseh). The LDS Church is helping to gather the Ten Tribes in their missionary work and the tribes will eventually take their rightful place beside Judah where the prophecy will be fulfilled. Did you have anothe scenario for how the Ten Tribes will be gathered? Or do you believe, as do many, that they forfeited their standing and those blessings?

[Godzilla]

For beginners - you made the argument that Ez prophesied concerning the bom. Since the bom is a fictional account, it cannot be said it is a record of Joseph. But in further answer to this questions

Did you have anothe scenario for how the Ten Tribes will be gathered? Or do you believe, as do many, that they forfeited their standing and those blessings?

The Lord will re-gather the jewish nation together in Israel where he will reign. That doesn't include Missouri, and no they did not forfeit their standings or blessings, they were only paused.

[caseinpoint]

Your declaration the Book of Mormon is fiction does not make it so. But since you have evidently come to that conclusion, I wish you peace and luck in your new year and beyond. I am more than willing to discuss matters with those who are honestly seeking information but it is a waste of time for both of us to bandy about with someone whose mind is already decided.

[P-Marlowe]

Did you have anothe scenario for how the Ten Tribes will be gathered?

Oh man.

A word to the wise...

Don't ever ask that question when I'm on the thread.

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[editor-surveyor]

"and Seventh Day Adventists"

I cannot imagine why you would include the 'adventists in that list; they are solidly in the evangelical dispensational camp, and adhere to the KJV.