Posted on 01/03/2009 12:27:50 PM PST by greyfoxx39
“Chapter 18: Beyond the Veil: Life in the Eternities,” Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, (2007),217–26
“[The righteous who have died] shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ.”
From the Life of Joseph Smith Joseph Smith’s work on the translation of the Bible led to a most remarkable vision of life in the eternities. On February 16, 1832, the Prophet was at work in the home of John Johnson in Hiram, Ohio, with Sidney Rigdon serving as his scribe. He was translating the Gospel of John. “From sundry revelations which had been received,” the Prophet later said, “it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of man had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled. It appeared self-evident from what truths were left, that if God rewarded every one according to the deeds done in the body, the term ‘Heaven,’ as intended for the Saints’ eternal home, must include more kingdoms than one.”1
The Prophet translated John 5:29, which describes how all “shall come forth” in the resurrection—“they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” As he and Sidney pondered this scripture, a marvelous vision was opened to them. As the Prophet recorded: “By the power of the Spirit our eyes were opened and our understandings enlightened, so as to see and understand the things of God—even those things which were from the beginning before the world was, which were ordained of the Father, through his Only Begotten Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, even from the beginning” (D&C 76:12–13).
In this glorious vision, the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon saw the Son of God at the right hand of the Father and “received of his fulness” (D&C 76:20). They saw the three kingdoms of glory that God has prepared for His children and learned who will inherit these kingdoms. They also saw Satan thrust out of the presence of God and the sufferings of those who allow themselves to be overcome by Satan.
This vision later became section 76 of the Doctrine and Covenants. The Prophet explained: “Nothing could be more pleasing to the Saints upon the order of the kingdom of the Lord, than the light which burst upon the world through the foregoing vision. Every law, every commandment, every promise, every truth, and every point touching the destiny of man, from Genesis to Revelation, where the purity of the scriptures remains unsullied by the folly of men, … witnesses the fact that that document is a transcript from the records of the eternal world. The sublimity of the ideas; the purity of the language; the scope for action; the continued duration for completion, in order that the heirs of salvation may confess the Lord and bow the knee; the rewards for faithfulness, and the punishments for sins, are so much beyond the narrow-mindedness of men, that every honest man is constrained to exclaim: ‘It came from God.’ ”2
Teachings of Joseph Smith God has prepared three degrees of glory for His children. “My text is on the resurrection of the dead, which you will find in the 14th chapter of John—‘In my Father’s house are many mansions.’ [John 14:2.] It should be—‘In my Father’s kingdom are many kingdoms,’ in order that ye may be heirs of God and joint-heirs with me. … There are mansions for those who obey a celestial law, and there are other mansions for those who come short of the law, every man in his own order.”3
“ ‘But,’ says one, ‘I believe in one universal heaven and hell, where all go, and are all alike, and equally miserable or equally happy.’
“What! where all are huddled together—the honorable, virtuous, and murderers, and whoremongers, when it is written that they shall be judged according to the deeds done in the body? But St. Paul informs us of three glories and three heavens. He knew a man that was caught up to the third heaven [see 1 Corinthians 15:40–41; 2 Corinthians 12:2–4]. … Jesus said unto His disciples, ‘In my Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you, and I will come and receive you to myself, that where I am ye may be also.’ [See John 14:2–3.]”4
“Go and read the vision in [Doctrine and Covenants 76]. There is clearly illustrated glory upon glory—one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and a glory of the stars; and as one star differeth from another star in glory, even so do they of the telestial world differ in glory, and every man who reigns in celestial glory is a God to his dominions. …
“Paul says, ‘There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory. So is also the resurrection of the dead.’ [1 Corinthians 15:41–42.]”5
Those who receive the testimony of Jesus, receive the ordinances of the gospel, and overcome by faith will inherit the celestial kingdom. The Prophet Joseph Smith saw the following in vision, later recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 76:50–59, 62, 68–70: “And again we bear record—for we saw and heard, and this is the testimony of the gospel of Christ concerning them who shall come forth in the resurrection of the just—they are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized after the manner of his burial, being buried in the water in his name, and this according to the commandment which he has given—that by keeping the commandments they might be washed and cleansed from all their sins, and receive the Holy Spirit by the laying on of the hands of him who is ordained and sealed unto this power; and who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, which the Father sheds forth upon all those who are just and true.
“They are they who are the church of the Firstborn. They are they into whose hands the Father has given all things—they are they who are priests and kings, who have received of his fulness, and of his glory; and are priests of the Most High, after the order of Melchizedek, which was after the order of Enoch, which was after the order of the Only Begotten Son.
“Wherefore, as it is written, they are gods, even the sons of God—wherefore, all things are theirs, whether life or death, or things present, or things to come, all are theirs and they are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s. …
“These shall dwell in the presence of God and his Christ forever and ever. … These are they whose names are written in heaven, where God and Christ are the judge of all. These are they who are just men made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, who wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood. These are they whose bodies are celestial, whose glory is that of the sun, even the glory of God, the highest of all, whose glory the sun of the firmament is written of as being typical.”6
The Prophet Joseph Smith taught the following in May 1843, later recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 131:1–4: “In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees; and in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage]; and if he does not, he cannot obtain it. He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.”7
“Here, then, is eternal life—to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, … by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. …
“… [The righteous who have died] shall rise again to dwell in everlasting burnings in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it? To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a god, and ascend the throne of eternal power, the same as those who have gone before.”8
“They who obtain a glorious resurrection from the dead, are exalted far above principalities, powers, thrones, dominions and angels, and are expressly declared to be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ, all having eternal power [see Romans 8:17].”9
The “honorable men of the earth,” those who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus, will inherit the terrestrial kingdom. The Prophet Joseph Smith saw the following in vision, later recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 76:71–79: “And again, we saw the terrestrial world, and behold and lo, these are they who are of the terrestrial, whose glory differs from that of the church of the Firstborn who have received the fulness of the Father, even as that of the moon differs from the sun in the firmament.
“Behold, these are they who died without law; and also they who are the spirits of men kept in prison, whom the Son visited, and preached the gospel unto them, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh; who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it.
“These are they who are honorable men of the earth, who were blinded by the craftiness of men. These are they who receive of his glory, but not of his fulness. These are they who receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father.
“Wherefore, they are bodies terrestrial, and not bodies celestial, and differ in glory as the moon differs from the sun. These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus; wherefore, they obtain not the crown over the kingdom of our God.”10
Those who are wicked and do not receive the gospel or the testimony of Jesus will inherit the telestial kingdom. The Prophet Joseph Smith saw the following in vision, later recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 76:81–85, 100–106, 110–12: “And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament.
“These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus. These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit. These are they who are thrust down to hell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work. …
“These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch; but received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenant.
“Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn, and received into the cloud.
“These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie. These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth. These are they who suffer the vengeance of eternal fire. These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work. …
“And [we] heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever; for they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared; and they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end.”11
The torment of the wicked is to know they have come short of the glory they might have enjoyed. “God has decreed that all who will not obey His voice shall not escape the damnation of hell. What is the damnation of hell? To go with that society who have not obeyed His commands. … I know that all men will be damned if they do not come in the way which He hath opened, and this is the way marked out by the word of the Lord.”12
“The great misery of departed spirits in the world of spirits, where they go after death, is to know that they come short of the glory that others enjoy and that they might have enjoyed themselves, and they are their own accusers.”13
“There is no pain so awful as that of suspense. This is the punishment of the wicked; their doubt, anxiety and suspense cause weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.”14
“A man is his own tormentor and his own condemner. Hence the saying, They shall go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone [see Revelation 21:8]. The torment of disappointment in the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstone. I say, so is the torment of man. …
“… Some shall rise to the everlasting burnings of God, for God dwells in everlasting burnings, and some shall rise to the damnation of their own filthiness, which is as exquisite a torment as the lake of fire and brimstone.”15
Suggestions for Study and Teaching Consider these ideas as you study the chapter or as you prepare to teach. For additional help, see pages vii–xii.
• Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon were meditating about a verse of scripture when they received the revelation that is recorded in Doctrine and Covenants 76 (pages 217–19; see also D&C 76:15–19). What personal experiences have helped you understand that meditating can lead to increased understanding? As you study or discuss this chapter, as well as other chapters, take time to meditate about the truths you read.
• Read John 14:2–3 and 1 Corinthians 15:40–41. How do the teachings in this chapter help you understand these verses?
• In the description of those who will inherit celestial, terrestrial, and telestial glory, the phrase “the testimony of Jesus” is used five times (pages 220–24). What are the characteristics of a person who is “valiant in the testimony of Jesus”? What promises are given to those who are valiant in the testimony of Jesus?
• Read the last paragraph on page 220, giving special attention to the phrase “overcome by faith.” What are some things we might need to overcome? How does faith in Jesus Christ help us overcome our problems in this life?
• Read the last full paragraph on page 221. In our eternal progression, why do you think we need to improve “from one small degree to another”? What experiences have you had that illustrate our need to learn and grow in this way?
• Review the second paragraph on page 223, which describes some of the people who will inherit the terrestrial kingdom. How can we avoid being “blinded by the craftiness of men”? What can we do to help others avoid being blinded?
• On page 224, look for words and phrases Joseph Smith used to describe the state of the wicked in the next life. What do these words and phrases communicate to you? How can a man be “his own tormentor and his own condemner”?
Related Scriptures: Alma 41:2–8; D&C 14:7; 76:20–49; 88:15–39
[photo] The restored John Johnson home in Hiram, Ohio. In the Johnson home in February 1832, the Prophet Joseph Smith saw a vision of the three degrees of glory that God has prepared for His children.
[photo] Those who inherit the celestial kingdom are “they whose bodies are celestial, whose glory is that of the sun, even the glory of God, the highest of all.”
Notes 1. History of the Church, 1:245; punctuation modernized; from “History of the Church” (manuscript), book A-1, p. 183, Church Archives, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah.
2. History of the Church, 1:252–53; from “History of the Church” (manuscript), book A-1, p. 192, Church Archives.
3. History of the Church, 6:365; paragraph divisions altered; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on May 12, 1844, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Thomas Bullock.
4. History of the Church, 5:425–26; punctuation modernized; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on June 11, 1843, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Wilford Woodruff and Willard Richards; see also appendix, page 562, item 3.
5. History of the Church, 6:477–78; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on June 16, 1844, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Thomas Bullock; see also appendix, page 562, item 3.
6. Doctrine and Covenants 76:50–59, 62, 68–70; vision given to Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon on Feb. 16, 1832, in Hiram, Ohio.
7. Doctrine and Covenants 131:1–4; bracketed words in original; instructions given by Joseph Smith on May 16 and 17, 1843, in Ramus, Illinois.
8. History of the Church, 6:306; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on Apr. 7, 1844, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Wilford Woodruff, Willard Richards, Thomas Bullock, and William Clayton.
9. History of the Church, 6:478; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on June 16, 1844, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Thomas Bullock; see also appendix, page 562, item 3.
10. Doctrine and Covenants 76:71–79; vision given to Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon on Feb. 16, 1832, in Hiram, Ohio.
11. Doctrine and Covenants 76:81–85, 100–106, 110–12; vision given to Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon on Feb. 16, 1832, in Hiram, Ohio.
12. History of the Church, 4:554–55; paragraph divisions altered; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on Mar. 20, 1842, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Wilford Woodruff; see also appendix, page 562, item 3.
13. History of the Church, 5:425; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on June 11, 1843, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Wilford Woodruff and Willard Richards; see also appendix, page 562, item 3.
14. History of the Church, 5:340; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on Apr. 8, 1843, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Willard Richards and William Clayton.
15. History of the Church, 6:314, 317; punctuation modernized; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith on Apr. 7, 1844, in Nauvoo, Illinois; reported by Wilford Woodruff, Willard Richards, Thomas Bullock, and William Clayton.
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Oh, come on now. Using the words and writings of lds, to show what lds believe...how rude.
/sarc/
The torment of the wicked is to know they have come short of the glory they might have enjoyed
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Would this be like Joseph Smith dying when he was only 38 ????
Each of us lives for 70 years- or even 80 if we are in good health. But the best of them [bring] trouble and misery. Indeed, they are soon gone, and we fly away. Psalm 90:10
will satisfy you with a long life, and I will show you how I will save you. Psalm 91:16
NYABMT!
Hey dude, here’s your chance to log onto an LDS thread that’s open. That means your antagonism is allowed, and all that stuff that makes your blood boil is expressible on such a thread. The mormon religion is a complete heresy. Have at it.
Where’s that guy who started his own thread after the “Jesus & Lucifer are brothers” garbage?
To: Religion Moderator
Not to be an jerk and to challenge you..however if he wants to post things like this...(and believes his religion is right), then why shouldn’t he be open to discussion of the truth in a (non-attacking way) which I know that I did do and I HAVE appologized for, pardon me though I hope you can see how this would get my blood boiling)?
45 posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:42:26 PM by JSDude1 (Like the failed promise of Fascism masquerading as Capitalism? You’re gonna love Marxism- Nephi)
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Gee, thanks! ;)
Really unfair ain’t it...
They say they believe in eternal progression.
But you can’t go from the Terrestrial Kingdom to the Celestial Kingdom. You can only progress in one Domain (Kingdom).
They don’t see that as a contradiction.
I guess it’s one of those Mormon mysteries wrapped in an enigma.
I think it’s another one of those home-maders. That’s what my Mom would say when she didn’t like a joke I made up as a kid. Not my joke but the progression thing.
There's always something hidden in the deep dark corners when it comes to finding out true mormon doctrine.
The "second anointing" is a practice allowed only to the mormon elite.
AN OUTLINE OF THE ORDINANCE OF SECOND ANOINTINGS
THE ORDINANCE OF SECOND ANOINTINGS The Washing of The Feet
NOTE FROM PART FOUR: [Note: The reference to the anointing and sealing comes from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 323: "The anointing and sealing is to be called, elected and made sure", and refers to the second anointing and subsequent sealing which makes a person's calling and election sure.] 220. Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, 1978-79; "Prepare Ye The Way Of The Lord", p. 133.
From a BYU site: The Doctrine of Calling & Election, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 297-298:
Calling and Election
Now, there is some grand secret here, and keys to unlock the subject. Notwithstanding the apostle exhorts them to add to their faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, etc., yet he exhorts them to make their calling and election sure. And though they had heard an audible voice from heaven bearing testimony that Jesus was the Son of God [Mt 17:5], yet he says we have a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto ye do well that ye take heed as unto a light shining in a dark place. Now, wherein could they have a more sure word of prophecy than to hear the voice of God saying, This is my beloved Son?
Now for the secret and grand key. Though they might hear the voice of God and know that Jesus was the Son of God, this would be no evidence that their calling and election was made sure, that they were sealed in the heavens and had the promise of eternal life in the kingdom of God. Then, having this promised sealed unto them, it was an anchor to the soul, sure and steadfast. Though the thunders might roll and lightnings flash, and earthquakes bellow, and war gather thick around, yet this hope and knowledge would support the soul in every hour of trial, trouble and tribulation. Then knowledge through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is the grand key that unlocks the glories and mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.
Compare this principle once with Christendom at the present day, and where are they, with all their boasted religion, piety and sacredness while at the same time they are crying out against prophets, apostles, angels, revelations, prophesying and visions, etc. Why, they are just ripening for the damnation of hell. They will be damned, for they reject the most glorious principle of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and treat with disdain and trample under foot the key that unlocks the heavens and puts in our possession the glories of the celestial world. Yes, I say, such will be damned, with all their professed godliness. Then I would exhort you to go on and continue to call upon God until you make your calling and election sure for yourselves, by obtaining this more sure word of prophecy, and wait patiently for the promise until you obtain it.
Calling & Election To Be Made Sure
Contend earnestly for the like precious faith with the Apostle Peter, "and add to you faith, virtue," knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity [D&C 4]; "for if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Another point, after having all these qualifications, he lays this injunction upon the people "to make your calling and election sure." He is emphatic upon this subject--after adding all this virtue, knowledge, etc., "Make your calling and election sure." What is the secret--the starting point? "According as His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness." How did he obtain all things? Through the knowledge of Him who hath called him. There could not anything be given, pertaining to life and godliness, without knowledge. Woe! woe! Woe to Christendom!--especially the divines and priests if this be true.
Salvation is for a man to be saved from all his enemies; for until a man can triumph over death, he is not saved. A knowledge of the priesthood alone will do this.
What is meant by election? Who are the elect of God? To what have they been elected? And why? (Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:325-353.)
Election is akin to and synonymous with calling, and in a general sense the elect comprise the whole house of Israel. (Isa 45:4; 65:9.) Jesus and Paul and Peter speak of the elect as the saints, as the faithful believers, as those who love the Lord and are seeking righteousness. (Mt 24:22; Mk 13:20; Lk 18:7; Col 3:12; 2 Tim 2:10; Titus 1:1.) And the Lord in our day has promised to gather and save his elect. (D&C 29:7; 33:6; 35:20.) Paul speaks of the elect along with the called, setting forth that they are foreordained to be like Christ, that their conduct here is justified, and that they shall be glorified hereafter. (Rom 8:28-30.) Peter specifies that their high status is "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father" (1 Pet 1:2), and Isaiah assures us that great blessings shall flow to them during the Millennial Era. (Isa 65:22.)
But in the most express and proper usage of the terms, "The elect of God comprise a very select group, an inner circle of faithful members of the Church.... They are the portion of church members who are striving with all their hearts to keep the fulness of the gospel law in this life so that they can become inheritors of the fulness of the gospel rewards in the life to come.p> "As far as the male sex is concerned, they are the ones, the Lord says, who have the Melchizedek Priesthood conferred upon them and who thereafter magnify their callings and are sanctified by the Spirit. In this way, 'They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God.' " (Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed., 217.) See Commentary 2: 267-269, 271-278, 283-285.
[4] What is meant by making an election sure? (Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:325-353.
It is with election as with calling: the chosen of the Lord are offered all of the blessings of the gospel on condition of obedience to the Lord's laws; and they, having been tried and tested and found worthy in all things, eventually have a seal placed on their election which guarantees the receipt of the promised blessing.
[5] What is meant by having one's calling and election made sure? (Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:325-353.)
To have one's calling and election made sure is to be sealed up unto eternal life; it is to have the unconditional guarantee of exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world; it is to receive the assurance of godhood; it is, in effect, to have the day of judgment advanced, so that an inheritance of all the glory and honor of the Father's kingdom is assured prior to the day when the faithful actually enter into the divine presence to sit with Christ in his throne, even as he is "set down" with his "Father in his throne." (Rev 3:21.)
“...every man who reigns in celestial glory is a God to his dominions.”
Nothing less than blasphemous.
Does our real and true GOD rule those gods who “reign in celestial glory ... to his dominions?” What about women? I suppose they’re under the “dominion” of the lesser god’s reign???
Best to You,
BR
Compare this principle once with Christendom at the present day, and where are they, with all their boasted religion, piety and sacredness while at the same time they are crying out against prophets, apostles, angels, revelations, prophesying and visions, etc. Why, they are just ripening for the damnation of hell. They will be damned ...
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And begging for Rolaids to soothe that darned pesky burning in the bosom thing.
And they are Christian, as they say, right?
YET, “Compare this principle once with CHRISTENDOM ...”(Emphasis added.)
Again I ask, Christian or not?
Best Regards,
BR
Women were created to have spiritual babies throughout all eternity to help these men be gods. Isn’t that special?
Umm. “Special,” pretty much nails it.
Begs the Q, however: If you’re turned into a god, why heck do you need the women when you can just CREATE - as God did - on your own planet of Kolob (sp?) or whatever planet is assigned you by JS? If, indeed, they’re to turn into a god (can’t believe I’m typing this) there should be no need for PROcreation — just CREATE.
To me, it all goes in circles and never once have I received anything remotely close to a direct answer to any question regarding Mormonism by a Mormon. Not once.
Can’t stand the idea that there are those trying desperately to seek and be blessed and saved by Our Lord and, yet, putting their faith a in man whom history shows to be a liar and polygamist, amongst other things.
At times I want to shout: “WAKE UP! Simply read God’s Word.” But when I attempt to even get close, I’m either:
(a) Met with a closed mind which defends the words of a simpleton by one who wouldn’t reach for the Holy Bible to save his or her own arm; and/or
(b) Answered with non-answers which, of course, from there no discussion can arise.
Thanks for your reply, Mary. Learning more every day!
As Always,
My Best Regards,
BR
Deception goes very deep. Mormons are good and decent folk. It’s hard to see them deceived like this. I want them saved. That’s the only reason I get on these religious threads. Even if you kindly explain the error, people get angry and call US hateful. I pray for the deception over the Mormons and other religious groups to be broken in the mighty Name of Jesus. Love, M
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Well, dear Godzilla, it certainly appears that way around here at times. Whew.
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