Posted on 12/29/2008 1:00:14 PM PST by NYer
God Bless them in their new ministry!
I hope “swim the Tiber” was a metaphor. I don’t think it would be healthy to really do it and it is written “thou shalt not tempt thy God”.
Looks like they were already on your side of the Tiber...They didn't even get wet...
As another former "High Church" Anglican, I can honestly say that I feel the same as these gentlemen. I didn't leave the Anglicans . . . THEY left ME.
Thus bringing me to the realization (if belatedly) that Rome was where I had belonged all along.
The Catholic Emancipation Act was passed in 1829, and that was the big watershed, but there were lots of little changes removing disabilities that were made prior to that. Things began moving around 1800, and gathered steam by 1815 (a convenient date - battle of Waterloo).
“Looks like they were already on your side of the Tiber...They didn’t even get wet”
Iscool: I must admit, that one was pretty good.
Regards
He was actually a captain in Nelson's Navy, served under Lord Cochrane and saw a lot of action. His novels are the real thing, since he was actually there. He's a good writer if you are amenable to the style of the time -- but what I think is his very best book, Mr. Midshipman Easy, is written in a very casual, modern style and is also a sly indictment of socialism.
I never could stand the Hornblower books, the hero always struck me as a neurotic 20th-century man adrift in the early 19th century. Captain Marryat's characters are honest to goodness British sailors and true to their time and place. His portraits of some of the 'characters' before the mast are priceless.
That's why folks have always referred to the Piskie High Churchers as "more Roman than Rome". It is especially true since VCII.
All those good Irish soldiers and sailors demonstrated that they were willing and able to fight for England.
**Father Dominic Cosslett, 36, and his father, Father Ron Cosslett, 70, were both ordained by Archbishop Vincent Nichols, **
Welcome home Father Dominic and Father Ron!
Gloria in excelcis!
I recently finished a biography of Nelson. I will not even try to summarize here his courage, seamanship, patriotism and revolutionary tactics.
Fast forward. What is, or do you have an opinion of the RN performance at Jutland?
. . . I think it was a draw. Beatty lost the advantage, but the Germans didn't gain their objective either.
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I wasn't aware that the Anglican church was so 'Roman'...Seems hardly worth the effort to call them Protestant...What are the major differences between the two???
You may recall that for most of the 16th century, England ping-ponged back and forth between Catholic and Protestant, with whoever was top dog burning the opposition while they were out of power. To put it mildly, a lot of hurt feelings were created by this ecclesiastical barbeque.
When Elizabeth came to the throne, she created an Established Church to which all her subjects were required to belong. To assuage the hurt feelings of MOST of her subjects, the Established (Anglican) Church allowed you to be ALMOST a Catholic or ALMOST a Puritan, so long as you were willing to subscribe to the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion (familiarly known as The XXXIX). Of course, the closer you got to either end of the scale, the more of the XXXIX you had to blink at or just ignore. (And if you went over the line, Elizabeth burned her heretics at BOTH ends).
So at one end of the scale you have folks who are "low church" -- very little if any ritual, no vestments, sermon the center of the worship service, essentially Protestant Evangelical -- and at the other those who are "high church" -- all but Catholic in doctrine, practice, and ritual, and they'll tell you, "don't tell anybody, but we're really Catholic, they just don't recognize our Apostolic Succession." And you have the 'muddled middle' or Broad Church, the folks who take a little bit of everything.
These folks tended to split up into congenial parishes under the umbrella of the local bishop, so that (to cite a local example from my former diocese) in the same area you could have on the one hand a church like St. Dunstan's where there was barely a cloth on the altar and the priest in street clothes and a collar, with a surplice over for the service, and communion only once a month, and one-hour sermons . . . and on the other Our Saviour which had gold frontals, priests with birettas, chanted High Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, and the Rosary every Friday. And both churches said "Episcopal Church" on the sign.
This cozy apple cart was upset by the liberal Broad Churchers taking over. They don't believe in anything, so both the Evangelicals and the High Churchers (who DO believe, although they don't agree on details) had to leave. The Evangelicals tended to go PCA or conservative Lutheran, or to one of the independent Evangelical churches, while the High Churchers headed for Rome.
Thanks...Interesting...
The Episcopalians in American inherited the system, without the state control.
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