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King Herod, the believer
Pyromaniacs blog ^ | 23 December 2008 | Dan Philips

Posted on 12/24/2008 4:18:57 AM PST by Ottofire

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King Herod, the believer

by Dan Phillips

Though he appears in the narrative after the birth of Christ, King Herod ("the Great," 47-4 BC) is one of the well-known villains of the Christmas story. He's notable in history for his viciousness and jealousy; he's known to Bible readers for his infanticide.

But King Herod should also be known for his deep faith in the Bible.

The magi had asked Herod, "Where is he who has been born king of the Jews?" (Matthew 2:2). Herod himself was part-Edomite, not of the line of David, and thus not "born king of the Jews." To this murderously jealous man, the question was - well, let Matthew tell it:
When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; 4 and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 They told him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet:
6 "'And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for from you shall come a ruler
who will shepherd my people Israel.'"
7 Then Herod summoned the wise men secretly and ascertained from them what time the star had appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, "Go and search diligently for the child, and when you have found him, bring me word, that I too may come and worship him."
Herod called a plenary session of the Sanhedrin (as Lenski observes), and ἐπυνθάνετο παρ᾽ αὐτῶν ποῦ ὁ χριστὸς γεννᾶται — demanded of them where the Messiah would be born.

So Herod looked forward to the Messiah in faith — just the formula some theologians use of saving faith in the OT. Faith? Herod had faith. He believed in Bible prophecy. He believed in Messiah, that Messiah would be a literal individual, who would be king of the Jews. Herod's faith was informed, firm and motivating. It even issued in works!

So Herod believed — but he didn't believe. Without breaking out the theological Latin, Herod had knowledge, he had understanding, he even had a degree of acceptance — all of which are elements of saving faith.

In some ways, Herod's faith was superior to many who confidently call themselves "evangelicals."

But what did Herod lack?

Herod lacked the personal embrace of and repose on the truth he intellectually accepted and acknowledged. To use my favorite analogy: he saw the boat, he knew a lot about the boat, he may even have thought the boat could (theoretically) hold him. But he did not get in the boat. In fact, to work the analogy, he hated the boat. He tried to sink the boat.

So in Herod we see that awareness of Biblical facts is not enough, acceptance of Biblical fact is not enough; even a degree of action on the basis of Biblical facts is not enough.

Now, before our occasional mystical drive-bys get too excited, let me say this: if those factors alone are not enough, then how deficient is "faith" that lacks those elements? The problem isn't their inconsequentiality. It is their inadequacy. It isn't that they are dispensable. It is that they are, by themselves, insufficient.

Saving faith must be of a different kind than Herod's faith, which is fundamentally the same as Satan's faith. The demons are aware of far more Biblical facts than we; they acknowledge the truth of (at least) many of those facts. They even respond to those facts in a deeply emotional manner (James 2:19).

In spite of all his awareness and acceptance of facts, one fatal factor remained in Herod. It lurks behind his response:
Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, became furious, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time that he had ascertained from the wise men (Matthew 2:16)
Herod believed in Messiah - and he wanted to kill Him. There wasn't room in Herod's universe for two kings, and he insisted that he be the one left standing.

So it is for many today, including many "evangelicals." They know some true things, they accept some true things, and to a degree they even act on some true things. But that core sin remains, lives, and thrives: pride, the motivator that transformed the anointed cherub into Satan, the Devil. Saving faith must be a knowing fact, an accepting faith — and a repenting faith, a submissive faith, a pride-crucifying faith.

That's why, when push comes to shove, they buckle and bail rather than push ahead and fight. Whether in conflict with inner passions or worldly fads, their faith isn't worth fighting for, suffering for, dying for.

One more thought: is this not why Christmas is not great good news to more people? In their hearts, they know the truth of the Christmas story (Romans 1:21). But it is not a welcome truth — because there is not room for two Kings, two Gods, in their universe. For them to remain king and god, Messiah must die. Since they can't accomplish it literally, they bury Him under trivial distractions and whistling past the graveyard — particularly that graveyard with the empty tomb.

But what makes it a Merry Nativity to us is we've seen the ruination and despair wrought by our own wretched attempts at godhood and autonomy. We're glad beyond words at the birth of Christ the King, the Savior. The history of Christ is the best news we ever heard! So we rejoice at and glory in the birth of Jesus Christ, who topples us off our cardboard thrones and saves us.

Scary man, Herod.

And instructive.

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Have a blessed day, remembering that this is merely the celebration of the gift which was given on the Cross.

May God bless his called out ones!

(And thanks for a great article Dan!)

1 posted on 12/24/2008 4:18:58 AM PST by Ottofire
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To: Ottofire

I heard one pastor say that Herod may have been the only mortal in the Nativity who fully understood what was going on. Mary and Joseph certainly knew Jesus would be special, but not even they may have known at the time just how special He would be.


2 posted on 12/24/2008 4:26:09 AM PST by bobjam
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To: Ottofire
I fail to see how any faith was exhibited by Herod. He earlier had demonstrated his murderous nature by having prominent Pharisees killed who had dared oppose him.

Herod also murdered members of his own family when he thought they plotting against him.
So hearing that the astrologers were searching for the king of the Jews he dispatched them to find this king so Herod could destroy him.

Herod’s mind set sounds more like paranoia than faith.

3 posted on 12/24/2008 5:36:52 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change; Ottofire

He exhibited faith, a belief in things unseen, that the Messiah was coming and that prophecy would be fulfilled. His was not saving faith. He tried to stop that Messiah. He set himself in opposition to God, as Satan did. And, alas, Herod is spending eternity away from God.

Faith alone isn’t enough. The demons also believe, and tremble.

We must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, only then do we have saving faith.

Good post, Otto.


4 posted on 12/24/2008 5:54:05 AM PST by Jemian (PAM of JT!)
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To: count-your-change

To be targetted for murder by Herod was not exactly an exceptional position. I’m sure anyone who displeased him at a whim was dispatched, not to mention those whose names history has remembered. Locals in Jerusalem will still point out the weedy niche where is buried the unlucky architect of the Old City Wall, killed at Herod’s direction

They will also point out that from his bedroom window in his Old City castle, Herod’s bedroom window looked over the Gehenna Valley, to the hillside behind the present King David Hotel, where lay the tombs of his murdered wife Mariamne and their sons

To call Herod a “man of the Bible” implies that Hitler was, too


5 posted on 12/24/2008 5:56:07 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Ottofire
Herod was a bloody tyrant who feared everything and everyone. In his life time he built temples to Roman gods he introduced Greek thinking into the Jewish way of life and he enforced his rule with terror.

Not born a natural Jew his Jewish faith was one of convenience, a way of saying "Hey Rome made me King, but really I'm one of you." Of course the problem comes from the fact he never believed it. A man of faith would not have placed the Roman eagle on the Temple and then executed by burning alive the men responsible for taking it down. A man of faith would not have executed by drowning his oldest son's because they were preparing to take over from a sick and dying man. All Herod would have seen in the words of the Maggi were threats to his paranoid reign. May you and everyone experience the Grace of God and the Peace of Jesus this season and forever.

6 posted on 12/24/2008 6:45:01 AM PST by Taichi (Certe, toto, sentio nos in kansate non iam adesse)
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To: count-your-change
Many people actually read a post before commenting on it.

Try it sometime. It really can save you.

7 posted on 12/24/2008 7:13:03 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Ottofire

Thanks, Otto; sad to see that reading-comprehension level hasn’t gone up much at FR, though.

There should be a Christmas Day post as well.

Dan


8 posted on 12/24/2008 7:14:22 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Ottofire; count-your-change
Saving faith must be of a different kind than Herod's faith, which is fundamentally the same as Satan's faith.

Indeed it is. When Jesus spoke of a faith of a mustard seed that could move mountains in Matthew 17:20, He was using Herod as an example. Herod was the one man that had literally moved a mountain when he constructed his place/fortress of Herodium.

Herodium is 3 miles southeast of Bethlehem and 8 miles south of Jerusalem. The road from Jerusalem to Herodium runs through Bethlehem and Herodium can be seen easily from either city.

John also refers to Herod and Herodium in 1 Corinthians 13:2 when he says "and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." This is the faith that Herod had. A faith without love that will not save.


Herodium as seen from Bethlehem.


Another view of Herodium.

9 posted on 12/24/2008 7:45:24 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: BibChr
Thanks, Otto; sad to see that reading-comprehension level hasn’t gone up much at FR, though.

Great stuff, Dan. And no, it hasn't.

10 posted on 12/24/2008 8:05:01 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Ottofire

?????

Later


11 posted on 12/24/2008 8:07:23 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Between the Lines

Excellent pictures! Thanks. Yes, according to James 2:19 even the demons believe. But to no account.


12 posted on 12/24/2008 9:17:13 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: BibChr

If you can’t understand my comment just say so and skip the snideificationess.


13 posted on 12/24/2008 9:27:27 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Ottofire
So it is for many today, including many "evangelicals." They know some true things, they accept some true things, and to a degree they even act on some true things. But that core sin remains, lives, and thrives: pride, the motivator that transformed the anointed cherub into Satan, the Devil. Saving faith must be a knowing fact, an accepting faith — and a repenting faith, a submissive faith, a pride-crucifying faith.

What tripe. Comparing Herod to "many evangelicals" is ludicrous. Whether inside or outside that circle, that is absolute nonsense. Herod was a wicked and vile man. Ignorance, although inexusible, is not the same as the wickedness of men like Herod, or Hitler. Playing the game of simlitudes is dangerous, and in this case, it is also in bad taste.
14 posted on 12/24/2008 9:32:00 AM PST by safisoft
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To: count-your-change

Well, I was waiting for Step 3 - which you’ve now so graciously provided.

To review the steps:

1. Don’t read a post
2. Make some foolish, embarrassing comment
3. Deny that you failed to read before barking

There are other steps — but, until you deal with 1, they don’t really get any prettier for you.


15 posted on 12/24/2008 9:38:49 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Jemian
I simply viewed Herod’s actions as trying to change what was to occur, as though saying prophecy is just a maybe, not certain if he could frustrate it.

And so faith of the non-saving kind and belief are different in what way?

16 posted on 12/24/2008 9:44:00 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

The faith that is non-saving is a mere acknowledgement of the veracity of something even if you don’t have any proof of it. Saving faith is acting in dependence on that veracity.

Let me offer two examples. There is an oak tree outside my house. I have faith that its limbs can hold me up (to a certain level). But I don’t have “saving” faith because I am not going to climb that tree. The limbs are still strong and are able to hold me up. Herod acknowledged the promises of God. But he wasn’t going to “climb that tree.”

The second example is that I believe that God will supply the needs of missionaries. But until I actually left the secular job and had no other source of income I wasn’t experiencing that faith.

There is a limit to the exactness of examples so perhaps these don’t quite explain the difference. I’m thinking that also perhaps Herod is like many of us who say we believe God is sovereign to keep us safe, but still carry around a rabbit’s foot, “just to cover the bases.” Saving faith doesn’t allow for alternatives.


17 posted on 12/24/2008 10:07:19 AM PST by Jemian (PAM of JT!)
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To: silverleaf

I always thought of Herod being like a mafia under boss who murders to keep his position and power yet is oily enough to cultivate favor with whoever ruled over him.

“To call Herod a “man of the Bible” implies that Hitler was, too”

True. Herod had a sham religiosity to curry favor with any Jews who would support him.


18 posted on 12/24/2008 10:12:49 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: All
Many years ago I began comparing different beliefs. Among the conclusions that I reached is that all people are born, live and die and eventually everything decays. In my ponderings I realized that Christianity provides an eternal forgiveness for my sins. At that point I knew that Jesus was a real person in time and space. I knew that He was born many years ago in a stable, lived and taught us about God, that He was tried, crucified, buried and rose on the third day. All of that was knowledge I had in my head, much like we have knowledge about the life of George Washington.

It was not until I prayed a prayer similar to the one below that I went from belief in the veracity of the Bible to a saving faith resulting in eternal life. The prayer I prayed was this:

Jesus, I need you. I open the door of my heart and receive you as Savior and Lord. Forgive me of my sins. Make me into the kind of person You want me to be.
Amen

It was as simple as that. According to the promises of the Bible, Jesus did enter my heart and I will never be cast away from Him. I went from knowing about God to knowing a Person. Anyone can do it no matter their background, including Jews, Moslems, prostitutes, drug runners and Democrats.

That was a life changing experience! I have not developed in the bent I was following. All things have become new.

19 posted on 12/24/2008 10:27:17 AM PST by Jemian (PAM of JT!)
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John Paul also refers to Herod and Herodium in 1 Corinthians 13:2
20 posted on 12/24/2008 11:02:34 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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