Rick Warren's Biggest Critics: Other Evangelicals

Christian Post ^ | Dec. 22, 2008 | Rachel Zoll

[444Flyer]

Unfortunately there is such a shortage of true scholarly respect and diligence for the scriptures that anyone can pastor a church and be called a “leader”. Further evidence of a breakdown in the culture.

“Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord
GOD,
That I will send a famine on the land,
Not a famine of bread,
Nor a thirst for water,
But of hearing the words of the Lord.
they shall wander from sea to sea,
And from north to east;
They shall run to and fro, seeking the word of
the Lord,
But shall not find it.”-Amos 8:11-12

Unfortunately, the Purpose Driven and Seeker Sensitive movement has led to psychological man-centered teaching rather than Scripture-based and centered teaching, which has helped lead our nation into a spiritual drought.

[Matchett-PI]

“i am a solid pro lifer. but to blame warren for the sins of obama cuz he prays with him i think is a little crazy in my humble opinion” ~ remaxagnt

I agree.

Anyhow, if the majority of “religious leaders” are a mile-wide and an inch-deep theologically, they are merely a reflection of the popular culture to which they “minister”.

A spiritually immature, emotionally immature, “unchurched” population is only able to assimilate milk and are not ready for strong meat.

Those who are ready for it will take responsibility for their own spiritual growth, since those resources are available to them.

Since there are so many shallow church congregations out there, one can only assume that they are content to remain as “dependents” right where they are.

[remaxagnt]

i see your point and respect it

[Rightly Biased]

I wonder if Platte River Rick realizes he is a tool of the left.

[xzins]

Regarding trouble-maker attenders, I agree that they should be invited to leave. To the extent that they are wolves or diseased sheep is the extent to which they should be asked to depart. The shepherd protects the sheep from wolves and from diseases/parasites.

Besides that, the issue is biblical Christianity. If someone grows a large church while teaching biblical Christianity, I don’t care if they grow so large that they take in 3,000 a day.

[ConservativeMind]

The quote I offered from the WSJ told only of ministers within the church. I don’t know of a church in which the minister is the equivalent of the elder(s).

So, you believe the minister should turn the tables on, as the article calls them, “critical members,” and force them out, then the minister should harass that person when they’ve left the minister’s Inquisition?

I don’t think anyone has a problem with “trouble-makers” in a church environment being asked to go, but who said the minister is the only one who can’t be that “trouble-maker”?

[Zechariah11]

I just can’t figure out why he would compromise his principles to do this gig for Obama.

Why would you say that he is compromising his principles? I think just the opposite-- that he is following Biblical precedent and advice. He is right to support the newly elected President in public prayer as both a Christian and a citizen.

As for the rest of Warren's activities, well, . . .

[annalex]

It depends what Warren says in his prayer. If he includes a prayer for the conversion of the proaborts, from the new President down the line, he will be doing a good thing. Otherwise, he is legitimizing mass murder.

[tioga]

all warren has to do is pray that Obama will do God’s will while in office......OOPs........that is NOT allowed now is it?

[Zechariah11]

Your comments apply to more than the "Warren movement" but to movements like the "emergent church," the charismatics, contemporary church services, etc. The relatively few conservative churches that remain "fellowship" for a couple of hours on Sunday. . .

Overall, I agree with your broader point -- that there is a famine for the Word. but your particular quotation applies specifically to ancient Israel and should be viewed in that context.

With the internet there is more Bible exposition available than ever for the hungry Christian. The problem is that most Christians seem to want to have an emotional experience with God than an edifying one.

[Salvation]

You eveidently are not aware of Catholic beliefs that supporting someone who supports abortion is just as grave a sin as abortion. That's why Catholics were told to vote for the pro-life candidate.

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CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches 1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm

97%

2:

CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches 2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm

96%

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CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches 2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3), URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm

96%

4:	CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

[xzins]

I don’t know of a church in which the minister is the equivalent of the elder(s).

I'm not sure what you mean by the above comment. Can you explain it in more detail? Thanks.

[ConservativeMind]

Yes. In other words, by what authority does a minister change his church, rather than the elder(s) doing so, yet, the training to pervert the churches (via Rick) comes through the minister, only.

The minister is easily the most visible person in the congregation, but the authority is with the elder(s). If ministers are perverting the church without the elder(s) permission, there’s a problem.

[Colonel_Flagg]

I hope Warren makes some very bold decrees in the name of Christ over this President and nation.

Don't hold your breath while you wait.

[free_life]

We’ll see!

[Originalist]

And God will honor Rick Warren for preaching Jesus Christ, even when a huge proportion of “fellow Christians” ripped him to shreds for taking the Gospel to unbelievers.

We should be praying for and lifting up Pastor Warren instead of tearing him down because we don't like Obama. But I seem to remember the Jews killing the prophets...

[annalex]

all warren has to do is pray that Obama will do God’s will while in office

I disagree that this would be enough, because that would leave open the possibility that what Obama and the Left think is God's will really is. It is a duty of the pastor to positively teach what God's will is, when the pastor is aware of it, anbd Rick Warren says he is aware that god's will is to protect the unborn.

It is precisely the equivocation over the pro-life issues that is wrong with Warren. If he is pro-life he should say so on this important occasion. That could be the most important speech of his life.