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"Why throw the baby out with the bath water?" Epstein asked.

It seems that they have mistaken the bathwater for the baby and threw out the wrong one.

1 posted on 12/23/2008 8:06:22 AM PST by Between the Lines
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Aren’t there enough “positive examples” down at the recycling center?


2 posted on 12/23/2008 8:12:16 AM PST by ConservativeMind (What's "Price Gouging"? Should government force us to sell to the 15th highest bidder on eBay?)
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The problem is, people like the Proctors are very rare among the “humanist/atheist” movement. I know humanists and atheist will jump in to deny this, but it IS the truth. I really do hope they find a large enough group of like-minded individuals to form a “congregation”, but I doubt they can.


3 posted on 12/23/2008 8:13:23 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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It would appear that the need for the sacred and to worship is ingrained within all of us.

The preacher side of me tends to say “image of God”.


4 posted on 12/23/2008 8:13:53 AM PST by pvoce ('Good' sense and 'Common' sense are two entirely different concepts.)
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Sounds like Unitarians.


5 posted on 12/23/2008 8:18:33 AM PST by Lx
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People should be aware of a very big push coming in this area. NPR had a story of the festival of "Human Light" which is the Humanist winter solstice holiday. It competes with Christmas and Hannukah.

Soon, we will be hearing humanist, humanist, humanist. And all aspects of daily life will have to change to make accomodations for them.

6 posted on 12/23/2008 8:20:04 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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Good luck to 'em!

I'm not in the kiddie boat, yet, but folks like them are laying the ground work for the future.

I know I'm already going to send my kid(s) to Camp Quest and Space Camp. :)

8 posted on 12/23/2008 8:24:13 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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When the human spirit, designed by God to yearn for commmunion with Him, desides that he cannot possibly exist and turns inward to the meaningless existance that is found without Him.


10 posted on 12/23/2008 8:38:50 AM PST by 50sDad (On the Left, compassion is measured by intent, not results.)
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Why don’t they just become Episcopalians? You don’t have to believe or know anything to be a member of that church, in fact they will even make you a “presiding bishop.”


14 posted on 12/23/2008 2:11:24 PM PST by kaehurowing
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The MSM LOVES this. They love the idea that atheism - of which "humanism" is a branch or subset - should duke it out with theism. It's just as good as - equal to - should have equal time, morphing into - better than - inclusive, not divisive - etc.

It just a promotion of "I am meat, my kids are meat, there is no transcendent meaning or purpose to life, meaning and purpose and right and wrong are whatever you say they are and everyone else should respect that, except we will ultimately viilify all theists" etc etc. They want their atheist view to be the cultural standard, the default, and all religious views to be substandard.

That IS where this is going. Another point that they hide or hide from themselves is this: If there is no absolute truth, no absolute right and wrong, no Supreme Arbiter and Truth maker, then the Big Dog Wins.

PS - check out the Camp Quest linked to above, here's a quote:

Oops - their site is so weird you can't copy and paste!! Anyway, they mention the "separation of religion and government guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States"!!!! That is sick. Not true. What they are basically saying is that any viewpoints, convictions or truths founded or based on religion have no place in any public policy. This is dead wrong, as well as unconstitutional.

15 posted on 12/23/2008 3:26:16 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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Humanist already have their temples: Government K-12 schools.


16 posted on 12/23/2008 3:54:32 PM PST by wintertime
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I love the author’s use of the idiotic and oxymorinic “humanist master’s of divinity student”.


20 posted on 12/23/2008 6:33:07 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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They are first time parents at ages 35 and 39.

That explains a lot.


21 posted on 12/23/2008 6:36:35 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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This story is written by an ignoramus.

Christians by definition have always been and still are “people who promote values of reason, compassion and human dignity.” After all, reason is evidence of the Creator’s genius. It was the belief in one rational God that made the amazing advances in science possible; when the gods were vengeful and capricious and did not follow any laws science was seen as a pointless endeavor, but an ordered universe created by a lawgiver who follows his own physical laws fosters a desire to learn about these laws as a way to understand the Creator.

Fides et Ration, dude. You can’t have one without the other.


22 posted on 12/23/2008 6:44:05 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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This story is written by an ignoramus.

Christians by definition have always been and still are “people who promote values of reason, compassion and human dignity.” After all, reason is evidence of the Creator’s genius. It was the belief in one rational God that made the amazing advances in science possible; when the gods were vengeful and capricious and did not follow any laws science was seen as a pointless endeavor, but an ordered universe created by a lawgiver who follows his own physical laws fosters a desire to learn about these laws as a way to understand the Creator.

Fides et Ratio, dude. You can’t have one without the other.


23 posted on 12/23/2008 6:44:33 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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Religious faith is the anchor that holds against the winds and tides of the world. Humanism is the anchor but without the rope.
24 posted on 12/23/2008 6:48:12 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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