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1 posted on 12/19/2008 10:18:34 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/19/2008 10:20:41 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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Works for me.

People with these problems shouldn’t be having children.


3 posted on 12/19/2008 10:21:43 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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Sounds like a good idea to me too. After all, nobody is forcing them.


4 posted on 12/19/2008 10:23:18 AM PST by Pessimist
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Abort retarded babies, sterilize alcoholics (as a first step). Yet another step on the road back to Eugenics.


5 posted on 12/19/2008 10:23:38 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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Wow.


6 posted on 12/19/2008 10:24:31 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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“wonder how these unfortunate addicted people are going to use this $300 ... oh, that’s right.”

You’ll never stop them from being addicts, but you might stop some abortions and unwanted pregnancies.

Good idea, I hope they can get away with it.


8 posted on 12/19/2008 10:25:18 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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Sterilization isn't anything new. At least, well, they're voluntary. (Heavy sarcasm.)

Wikipedia:

The United States was the first country to concertedly undertake compulsory sterilization programs for the purpose of eugenics. The heads of the program were avid believers in eugenics and frequently argued for their program. They were devastated when it was shut down due to ethical problems. The principal targets of the American program were the mentally retarded and the mentally ill, but also targeted under many state laws were the deaf, the blind, people with epilepsy, and the physically deformed. Native Americans, as well as Afro-American women, were sterilized against their will in many states, often without their knowledge, while they were in a hospital for other reasons (e.g. childbirth). Some sterilizations also took place in prisons and other penal institutions, targeting criminality, but they were in the relative minority. In the end, over 65,000 individuals were sterilized in 33 states under state compulsory sterilization programs in the United States.

It's hard to justify programs like that after you've seen hills of corpses, so they lost popularity after WW2.

10 posted on 12/19/2008 10:28:12 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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If the choice is between paying for abortions or paying for voluntary sterilizations, count me as a supporter of the latter. Still, I'm weary of anything with the hint of eugenics to it. Centralized control of human breeding would be a disaster in moral and biological realms. If experiments like this act to curry public support for involuntary extensions (for whatever pretext), count me as an opponent.
14 posted on 12/19/2008 10:37:20 AM PST by M203M4 (Bill Kristol: Piltdown conservative)
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This is so offensive to the dignity of the human person!

It's completely voluntary, and some of the methods offered are reversible. What's so offensive to the "dignity of a human person" ?

15 posted on 12/19/2008 10:39:43 AM PST by Red Boots
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"Those who oppose what we're doing should be willing to step up and adopt a few of the babies," Harris said. "These women can't raise these children."

There's babies for adoption??? HOLY MOLY!!! I've gotta tell my brother about this! He's been waiting four years to get his adoption from the Philippines (another Christmas without children looks like it's in the cards this year.)

My friend here at work too, who's been trying for three years with no luck to adopt. He's going to have to pay $10,000 to get a Guatemalan kid.

The wife and I would LOVE to have another baby, but we figured it was such a task that it would be a dream deferred.

NYer, I can't thank you enough for posting this. I'm going to call this Harris person right now and ask for information on her adoption service!

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16 posted on 12/19/2008 10:40:53 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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I’m for this as well.

This way I don’t have to pay for their mostly illegitamate and uncared for children who then grow up and also become a burden and cost for society.

Do they have a similiar program for liberals?


20 posted on 12/19/2008 10:58:21 AM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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This is a wonderful idea! It is too bad that this is not a requirement to become a welfare recipient.


23 posted on 12/19/2008 12:05:59 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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Am I too late for the cash? I quit drinking 32 years ago and had a vasectomy 17 years ago. Does retroactive count?


25 posted on 12/19/2008 12:17:17 PM PST by muir_redwoods (B. O. Stinks!!!)
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28 posted on 12/19/2008 6:05:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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29 posted on 12/19/2008 6:19:40 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Victimless both parties consent. So I think it’s a good idea. Besides, if he/she cleans up and eventually becomes some upstanding member of the community they can always have a reverse tubal or vasectomy done.


30 posted on 12/19/2008 6:23:08 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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I’m having a hard time finding a moral objection to this.

Sterilization can be reversed. I’m betting that most of those addicts only get pregnant by accident anyway and never really wanted the babies.

Better that than abortion or crack babies.


34 posted on 12/19/2008 6:52:18 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Sounds like an excellent program. Those opposing it should be prepared to pay to support the kids who would otherwise be born, since it’s highly unlikely their parents would be supporting them.


42 posted on 12/20/2008 12:16:41 AM PST by Arguendo
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