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Is evolution fact?
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Posted on 12/14/2008 8:37:32 AM PST by tpanther

Strength For The Journey New Creation People Part 1 August 4, 2005 Is Evolution A Fact?

READ: Genesis 2:1-7, Hebrews 11:1-3

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God. —Hebrews 11:3The theory of evolution is not without its problems. One scientist says this about life starting on its own: "Amino acids would have to be arranged in an exact sequence to form a protein . . . just like the letters in a sentence. Mere laws of chemistry and physics cannot do that. The probability of a protein forming by chance would be 1064 [10 with 64 zeros after it] to 1!"

Many people assume the theory of evolution to be true. But can it be scientifically proven? Something is considered scientifically true only if it can be repeatedly verified under laboratory conditions. The claim that life sprang up on its own out of a long impersonal process cannot pass this test of truth. That is why evolution remains only a theory.

So if you're ever tempted to doubt the Genesis account of the creation story, consider the alternative. The odds against even a simple protein creating itself are astronomical. How much more reasonable to believe God and His Word: "By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible" (Hebrews 11:3).

Isn't it more reasonable to believe that God designed and created the universe? (Genesis 1:1). — Dennis Fisher

All things bright and beautiful, All creatures great and small, All things wise and wonderful— The Lord God made them all. —Alexander

All creation points to the almighty Creator.


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To: Coyoteman; js1138
It would be interesting if Dembski or some similar math inclined ID advocate would just tell us what units complexity is measured in.

Fictons

Measured using a Complexitosity meter.

241 posted on 12/16/2008 10:23:36 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Bosh Flimshaw
Apparently not, judging by your posts.

Misunderstanding my posts does not negate that this is common knowledge that both scientists study origins and that this is a tired old strawman liberals like to use in excusing their cult of evolution.

And, do you get paid a nickel every time you type the words "godless liberal NEA," or do you really think that the GLNEA is responsible for modern evolution theory being accepted by the overwhelmingly vast bulk of scientists in the world?

Ummm ignoring that godless liberals have hijacked the theory of evolution and have turned it into a cult of evolution based on ideology simply makes one look either like a cultist or like a fool.

You're not going to continue insisting on dismissing this gorilla in the room are you?

Oh lookie: science by concensus again... Gee, fancy that! Yet another pitifully failed liberal strawman argument!

242 posted on 12/16/2008 12:59:21 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw; Coyoteman; js1138

“It would be interesting if Dembski or some similar math inclined ID advocate would just tell us what units complexity is measured in.
Fictons

Measured using a Complexitosity meter.”

Perhaps Coyoteman or Bosh can explain how information-filled, complex machine-like structures came to being within the simplest organisms...say, the flagella structure within amoebas via evolution....let’s start there, shall we?


243 posted on 12/16/2008 1:01:39 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Buck W.
Yes—evolution is a theory. However, it does pretty closely explain the “how” of creation. Creation, that is, which is entirely consistent with evolution. “Evolutionints” have no hang-up with God. They merely use their God-given reasoning to understand the clues that God left behind.

No actually it doesn't. It comes pretty close in some areas perhaps, but most certainly not most and clearly not all.If this were the case, we'd not be having this discussion and a number of scientists themselves wouldn't be pointing out all the gaping holes and alternatives.

There's a cult of evolution in addition to a theory of evolution. I suspect it's more difficult to see for some people based on the fact that it jives with their ideology.

Science and how it is taught should not be enforced through the courts. A textbook in Georgia had stickers on it simply to remind students it's theory and not fact. I can't think of any other theory that is hijacked by godless liberal cultists, can you?The only thing as close is the global warming/hot air cultists.

244 posted on 12/16/2008 1:12:37 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: cacoethes_resipisco; valkyry1
All you need is the Cambrian bunny rabbit, and you’ll have them dead to rights.

Nah. It'd just be relabeled as a *living fossil*. Or they'd have to adjust their timeline some, You know, tweak it a few years.

I have no fear that they'd find SOME way of explaining it away.

245 posted on 12/16/2008 1:20:40 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Elsie
And the term "Creationist" is used by Evo's to show the respect they have for their mental processes.

You noticed that, too?

246 posted on 12/16/2008 1:23:06 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: scottdeus12
Perhaps Coyoteman or Bosh can explain how information-filled, complex machine-like structures came to being within the simplest organisms...say, the flagella structure within amoebas via evolution....let’s start there, shall we?

Through the process of natural selection.

Any other questions, or do you have a point to make?

247 posted on 12/16/2008 1:25:40 PM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: tpanther; Elsie
Well, that is everything but origins. The evo-cultists sue those that disagree with them.

What I find ummm, interesting at the least, is that evos don't address origins and won't allow anyone else to either.

By their own admission, they don't really have a clue, but will about beat into submission anyone who claims to.

They don't know anything about it but they sure know that we're wrong.

Fancy that.

248 posted on 12/16/2008 1:27:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther
godless liberals have hijacked the theory of evolution and have turned it into a cult of evolution based on ideology

Just out of curiosity, is the Catholic Church run by "godless liberals?"

249 posted on 12/16/2008 1:29:33 PM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Bosh Flimshaw

“Through the process of natural selection.

Any other questions, or do you have a point to make?”

So complex information-filled structures are formed randomly by a natural process. You are kidding, right?


250 posted on 12/16/2008 1:30:36 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: DoctorMichael; tpanther
It really is too bad that some people's Faith is so weak that its disturbed by a Fact.

No, nobody's faith is that weak. We just don't like seeing people lied to by those claiming that the THEORY of Evolution is a fact.

OTOH, the same could be said for those who refuse to look critically at the ToE.

Just for the record, do you ever post anything in support of evolution besides slurs against anyone who doesn't agree with you?

And evos wonder why there's no mad rush to embrace their belief system.

251 posted on 12/16/2008 1:31:58 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw
If there is a level of complexity that requires a supernatural force to achieve, could you please explain the maximum level of complexity achievable by natural forces absent a supernatural actor?

How about if you demonstrate that there's ANY complexity that cam arise without intelligence behind it.

252 posted on 12/16/2008 1:33:33 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.; tpanther

OK, since God created everything...

He created man from the dust of the earth (specifically) and created him as a man.

Tell me, based on the evidence of Adam’s physical appearance, how old was Adam on the day he was created?


253 posted on 12/16/2008 1:35:58 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: scottdeus12
So complex information-filled structures are formed randomly by a natural process.

As I stated, those structures are formed through the process of natural selection.

254 posted on 12/16/2008 1:36:11 PM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Bosh Flimshaw

No idea, I’m not a Catholic, but I do know there are several cults out there that claim all kinds of things that aren’t true.

Do you think you’re going to make another point?

Again?


255 posted on 12/16/2008 1:36:34 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw
Once again, you are seeking to use your own ignorance of science as a bludgeon.

While others use their own ignorance of religion as an honor.

256 posted on 12/16/2008 1:37:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Buck W.
Yet you posted earlier that Scripture is figurative. I agree with that.

Why do you imply I said ALL Scripture is figurative?

Your post is disingenuous.

257 posted on 12/16/2008 1:39:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DoctorMichael
It really is too bad that some people's Faith is so weak that its disturbed by a Fact.

Those 'facts' contain an AWFUL lot of what-if's and maybe's.

258 posted on 12/16/2008 1:40:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: scottdeus12
So complex information-filled structures are formed randomly by a natural process.

I think you may be using the term information incorrectly. In the world of information theory, random noise has the maximum amount of information per bit.

If you have a definition that allows assigning a quantity to information in biological systems, I'd like to see it, along with an example.

259 posted on 12/16/2008 1:41:09 PM PST by js1138
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To: Buck W.
However, it does pretty closely explain the “how” of creation.

You guys need to get on the same PAGE!

In this very thread, CREATION was taken as a given - no HOW was applied to it.

The "How we got what we got NOW" was 'explained' by Evolution.


“Evolutionints” have no hang-up with God.

What do they think, as a whole, about JESUS?

260 posted on 12/16/2008 1:43:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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