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1 posted on 12/11/2008 7:26:21 AM PST by NYer
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It is one of the most overlooked and rejected dogmas. But for Benedict XVI, it is "overwhelmingly obvious." He has talked about it three times in eight days. Without it, he says, Christian redemption "would lose its foundation"
2 posted on 12/11/2008 7:27:01 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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Excellent article. ;-)


4 posted on 12/11/2008 7:35:10 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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The importance of the doctrine of original sin.

"The history of mankind and of each human individual is unintelligible to those who do not believe in Original Sin. The doctrine of Original Sin alone explains the many riddles of our lives. It tells us why our wills are so prone to evil; why we fall so easily in temptation and rise again with such difficulty; why we must fight continually if we wish to remain good and advance in perfection; why we must avoid the occasions of sin. Original Sin alone explains why this world with all its beauty and loveliness is and will always be a "vale of tears". Any educational system that does not take into consideration Original Sin and its consequences is doomed to failure". -Chief Truths of the Faith. By Fr. John Laux, MA; Tan Books

5 posted on 12/11/2008 7:46:44 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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But Advent also means expectation. The dark night of evil is still strong. And that is why we pray in Advent with the ancient people of God: "Rorate caeli desuper." And we pray with insistence: Come Jesus; come, give force to light and goodness; come where falsehood, ignorance of God, violence and injustice dominate; come, Lord Jesus, give force to the good of the world and help us to be bearers of your light, agents of peace, witnesses of truth. Come Lord Jesus!

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Amen!

6 posted on 12/11/2008 7:47:42 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Splendid, as in "Veritatis Splendor." I'm going to print it out and give it a longer, more meditative reading.

Original Sin is so obvious, as Pope Benedict says: just look at the daily news, or think of your last confession.

8 posted on 12/11/2008 7:50:37 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious. " - George Orwell)
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Yes, the doctrine of original sin is central to our faith. Among other things, it helps us more fully appreciate the Savior.

I always feel uncomfortable with that painting. What was Eve doing when the snake stole her attention?

Just goes to show that old paintings aren’t always as pure as the driven snow, and that maybe some of those painters who produced nude images were similarly not as pure as the driven snow.


10 posted on 12/11/2008 8:11:10 AM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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I never could understand why God made that snake and the apple tree, when He knew exactly what was going to happen.


11 posted on 12/11/2008 8:20:46 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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Adam Lay Ybounden (Boris Orde)

Adam lay ybounden, bounden in a bond;
Four thousand winter thought he not too long.
And all was for an apple, an apple that he took,
As clarkes finden written in their booke.
Ne had the apple taken been, the apple taken been,
Ne never Our Lady had been Heavene Queen.

Blessed be the time that apple taken was!
Therefore we mun singen, Deo Gratias!

14 posted on 12/11/2008 9:42:57 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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Original sin is a false doctrine introduced into Western religions by Augustin around 500 AD who was a convert from a sinful past. Eastern Orthodox religions, while unfortunately are not evangelical, do not have this doctrine because they did not pick it up.

How many sinners are in hell today because the preacher preaches God made you a sinner and their conviction is eased? The church confuses the universality of sin with original sin. Go read Psalm 51:5 in the KJV and NAS and then go read it in NIV - it says 2 different things because the NIV is biased toward original sin.


19 posted on 12/11/2008 11:47:28 AM PST by RushingWater (You say Obama - I say Ayers)
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The Church has been deeply blessed by having Benedict as pope...

He is bringing much clarity to the muddled mess that Vatican II brought about.

I've falling in love with his writings, I'm on my 2nd book of his..I wish I'd have found them 20 years ago.

24 posted on 12/11/2008 1:03:21 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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Bookmark for later reading.


33 posted on 12/12/2008 1:01:06 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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bumpus ad summum


38 posted on 12/12/2008 7:49:58 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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