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The monks who keep coming to blows in Jerusalem
The Guardian ^ | November 11 2008 | Toni O'Loughlin

Posted on 11/10/2008 6:24:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy

It was an unholy spectacle. On Sunday, brawling priests and Israeli paramilitary police careened through the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem after a fight erupted between two rival groups.

Armenian monks and their worshippers had been participating in a ceremony marking the 4th-century discovery of the cross on which Christ was crucified when they found their path blocked by a Greek Orthodox monk posted in Jesus's tomb. Fists began flying, kicking monks lost their footing and 10ft ceremonial candlesticks and banners toppled to the ground. Police dragged priests from the melee in head locks and arrested two Armenian clerics, who were later released.

It's the second time this year the police have broken up sparring monks in the church, which is shared between the Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Armenians, Coptic, Ethiopian and Syriac sects. A centuries-old agreement between these rival custodians regularly fails to keep the peace in what is possibly the Middle East's longest-running feud.

Ever since 1192, when the Islamic ruler Saladin entrusted two Muslim families to lock and unlock the gates each day, none of the Christian groups have been allowed to hold the keys to the church. But the fighting between the Armenians and Greeks over the traditional site of Jesus's crucifixion and resurrection has grown increasingly bitter recently.

On Palm Sunday this year, dozens of Greek and Armenian clerics and worshippers exchanged blows. It came just a few months after fighting broke out between clerics in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, where Greek Orthodox and Armenian priests, who were cleaning the holy site for Christmas, attacked each other with brooms.

Yet fisticuffs are not the Church of the Holy Sepulchre's only problem: in October it was revealed that a row between the Ethiopians and the Coptics was preventing urgent repairs to the roof...

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Culture
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1 posted on 11/10/2008 6:24:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

By their fruit shall you know them.


2 posted on 11/10/2008 6:27:24 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

That reminds me...

(1) Political organization
The term “political organization” means a party, committee, association, fund, or other organization (whether or not incorporated) organized and operated primarily for the purpose of directly or indirectly accepting contributions or making expenditures, or both, for an exempt function.
(2) Exempt function
The term “exempt function” means the function of influencing or attempting to influence the selection, nomination, election, or appointment of any individual to any Federal, State, or local public office or office in a political organization, or the election of Presidential or Vice-Presidential electors, whether or not such individual or electors are selected, nominated, elected, or appointed. Such term includes the making of expenditures relating to an office described in the preceding sentence which, if incurred by the individual, would be allowable as a deduction under section 162(a).
(3) Contributions
The term “contributions” has the meaning given to such term by section 271(b)(2).
(4) Expenditures
The term “expenditures” has the meaning given to such term by section 271(b)(3).
(5) Qualified State or local political organization

(A) In general
The term “qualified State or local political organization” means a political organization -

(i) all the exempt functions of which are solely for the purposes of influencing or attempting to influence the selection, nomination, election, or appointment of any individual to any State or local public office or office in a State or local political organization,
(ii) which is subject to State law that requires the organization to report (and it so reports) -

(I) information regarding each separate expenditure from and contribution to such organization, and
(II) information regarding the person who makes such contribution or receives such expenditure, which would otherwise be required to be reported under this section, and

(iii) with respect to which the reports referred to in clause (ii) are (I) made public by the agency with which such reports are filed, and (II) made publicly available for inspection by the organization in the manner described in section 6104(d).

(B) Certain State law differences disregarded
An organization shall not be treated as failing to meet the requirements of subparagraph (A)(ii) solely by reason of 1 or more of the following:

(i) The minimum amount of any expenditure or contribution required to be reported under State law is not more than $300 greater than the minimum amount required to be reported under subsection (j).
(ii) The State law does not require the organization to identify 1 or more of the following:

(I) The employer of any person who makes contributions to the organization.
(II) The occupation of any person who makes contributions to the organization.
(III) The employer of any person who receives expenditures from the organization.
(IV) The occupation of any person who receives expenditures from the organization.
(V) The purpose of any expenditure of the organization.
(VI) The date any contribution was made to the organization.
(VII) The date of any expenditure of the organization.

(C) De minimis errors
An organization shall not fail to be treated as a qualified State or local political organization solely because such organization makes de minimis errors in complying with the State reporting requirements and the public inspection requirements described in subparagraph (A) as long as the organization corrects such errors within a reasonable period after the organization becomes aware of such errors.
(D) Participation of Federal candidate or office holder
The term “qualified State or local political organization” shall not include any organization otherwise described in subparagraph (A) if a candidate for nomination or election to Federal elective public office or an individual who holds such office -

(i) controls or materially participates in the direction of the organization,
(ii) solicits contributions to the organization (unless the Secretary determines that such solicitations resulted in de minimis contributions and were made without the prior knowledge and consent, whether explicit or implicit, of the organization or its officers, directors, agents, or employees), or
(iii) directs, in whole or in part, disbursements by the organization.

(f) Exempt organization, which is not political organization, must
include certain amounts in gross income

(1) In general
If an organization described in section 501(c) which is exempt from tax under section 501(a) expends any amount during the taxable year directly (or through another organization) for an exempt function (within the meaning of subsection (e)(2)), then, notwithstanding any other provision of law, there shall be included in the gross income of such organization for the taxable year, and shall be subject to tax under subsection (b) as if it constituted political organization taxable income, an amount equal to the lesser of -

(A) the net investment income of such organization for the taxable year, or
(B) the aggregate amount so expended during the taxable year for such an exempt function.

(2) Net investment income
For purposes of this subsection, the term “net investment income” means the excess of -

(A) the gross amount of income from interest, dividends, rents, and royalties, plus the excess (if any) of gains from the sale or exchange of assets over the losses from the sale or exchange of assets, over
(B) the deductions allowed by this chapter which are directly connected with the production of the income referred to in subparagraph (A). For purposes of the preceding sentence, there shall not be taken into account items taken into account for purposes of the tax imposed by section 511 (relating to tax on unrelated business income).

(3) Certain separate segregated funds
For purposes of this subsection and subsection (e)(1), a separate segregated fund (within the meaning of section 610 of title 18) or of any similar State statute, or within the meaning of any State statute which permits the segregation of dues moneys for exempt functions (within the meaning of subsection (e)(2)) which is maintained by an organization described in section 501(c) which is exempt from tax under section 501(a) shall be treated as a separate organization.

(g) Treatment of newsletter funds

(1) In general
For purposes of this section, a fund established and maintained by an individual who holds, has been elected to, or is a candidate (within the meaning of paragraph (3)) for nomination or election to, any Federal, State, or local elective public office, for use by such individual exclusively for the preparation and circulation of such individual’s newsletter shall, except as provided in paragraph (2), be treated as if such fund constituted a political organization.
(2) Additional modifications
In the case of any fund described in paragraph (1) -

(A) the exempt function shall be only the preparation and circulation of the newsletter, and
(B) the specific deduction provided by subsection (c)(2)(A) shall not be allowed.

(3) Candidate
For purposes of paragraph (1), the term “candidate” means, with respect to any Federal, State, or local elective public office, an individual who -

(A) publicly announces that he is a candidate for nomination or election to such office, and
(B) meets the qualifications prescribed by law to hold such office.

(h) Special rule for principal campaign committees

(1) In general
In the case of a political organization, which is a principal campaign committee, paragraph (1) of subsection (b) shall be applied by substituting “the appropriate rates” for “the highest rate”.
(2) Principal campaign committee defined

(A) In general
For purposes of this subsection, the term “principal campaign committee” means the political committee designated by a candidate for Congress as his principal campaign committee for purposes of -

(i) section 302(e) of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 (2 U.S.C. 432(e)), and
(ii) this subsection.

(B) Designation
A candidate may have only 1 designation in effect under subparagraph (A)(ii) at any time and such designation -

(i) shall be made at such time and in such manner as the Secretary may prescribed by regulations, and
(ii) once made, may be revoked only with the consent of the Secretary. Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to require any designation where there is only one political committee with respect to a candidate.

(i) Organizations must notify Secretary that they are section 527
organizations

(1) In general
Except as provided in paragraph (5), an organization shall not be treated as an organization described in this section -

(A) unless it has given notice to the Secretary electronically that it is to be so treated, or
(B) if the notice is given after the time required under paragraph (2), the organization shall not be so treated for any period before such notice is given or, in the case of any material change in the information required under paragraph (3), for the period beginning on the date on which the material change occurs and ending on the date on which such notice is given.

(2) Time to give notice
The notice required under paragraph (1) shall be transmitted not later than 24 hours after the date on which the organization is established or, in the case of any material change in the information required under paragraph (3), not later than 30 days after such material change.
(3) Contents of notice
The notice required under paragraph (1) shall include information regarding -

(A) the name and address of the organization (including any business address, if different) and its electronic mailing address,
(B) the purpose of the organization,
(C) the names and addresses of its officers, highly compensated employees, contact person, custodian of records, and members of its Board of Directors,
(D) the name and address of, and relationship to, any related entities (within the meaning of section 168(h)(4)),
(E) whether the organization intends to claim an exemption from the requirements of subsection (j) or section 6033, and
(F) such other information as the Secretary may require to carry out the internal revenue laws.

(4) Effect of failure
In the case of an organization failing to meet the requirements of paragraph (1) for any period, the taxable income of such organization shall be computed by taking into account any exempt function income (and any deductions directly connected with the production of such income) or, in the case of a failure relating to a material change, by taking into account such income and deductions only during the period beginning on the date on which the material change occurs and ending on the date on which notice is given under this subsection. For purposes of the preceding sentence, the term “exempt function income” means any amount described in a subparagraph of subsection (c)(3), whether or not segregated for use for an exempt function.
(5) Exceptions
This subsection shall not apply to any organization -

(A) to which this section applies solely by reason of subsection (f)(1),
(B) which reasonably anticipates that it will not have gross receipts of $25,000 or more for any taxable year, or
(C) which is a political committee of a State or local candidate or which is a State or local committee of a political party.

(6) Coordination with other requirements
This subsection shall not apply to any person required (without regard to this subsection) to report under the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 (2 U.S.C. 431 et seq.) as a political committee.

(j) Required disclosure of expenditures and contributions

(1) Penalty for failure
In the case of -

(A) a failure to make the required disclosures under paragraph (2) at the time and in the manner prescribed therefor, or
(B) a failure to include any of the information required to be shown by such disclosures or to show the correct information, there shall be paid by the organization an amount equal to the rate of tax specified in subsection (b)(1) multiplied by the amount to which the failure relates. For purposes of subtitle F, the amount imposed by this paragraph shall be assessed and collected in the same manner as penalties imposed by section 6652(c).

(2) Required disclosure
A political organization which accepts a contribution, or makes an expenditure, for an exempt function during any calendar year shall file with the Secretary either -

(A)

(i) in the case of a calendar year in which a regularly scheduled election is held -

(I) quarterly reports, beginning with the first quarter of the calendar year in which a contribution is accepted or expenditure is made, which shall be filed not later than the fifteenth day after the last day of each calendar quarter, except that the report for the quarter ending on December 31 of such calendar year shall be filed not later than January 31 of the following calendar year,
(II) a pre-election report, which shall be filed not later than the twelfth day before (or posted by registered or certified mail not later than the fifteenth day before) any election with respect to which the organization makes a contribution or expenditure, and which shall be complete as of the twentieth day before the election, and
(III) a post-general election report, which shall be filed not later than the thirtieth day after the general election and which shall be complete as of the twentieth day after such general election, and

(ii) in the case of any other calendar year, a report covering the period beginning January 1 and ending June 30, which shall be filed no later than July 31 and a report covering the period beginning July 1 and ending December 31, which shall be filed no later than January 31 of the following calendar year, or

(B) monthly reports for the calendar year, beginning with the first month of the calendar year in which a contribution is accepted or expenditure is made, which shall be filed not later than the twentieth day after the last day of the month and shall be complete as if the last day of the month, except that, in lieu of filing the reports otherwise due in November and December of any year in which a regularly scheduled general election is held, a pre-general election report shall be filed in accordance with subparagraph (A)(i)(II), a post-general election report shall be filed in accordance with subparagraph (A)(i)(III), and a year end report shall be filed not later than January 31 of the following calendar year.

(3) Contents of report
A report required under paragraph (2) shall contain the following information:

(A) The amount, date, and purpose of each expenditure made to a person if the aggregate amount of expenditures to such person during the calendar year equals or exceeds $500 and the name and address of the person (in the case of an individual, including the occupation and name of employer of such individual).
(B) The name and address (in the case of an individual, including the occupation and name of employer of such individual) of all contributors which contributed an aggregate amount of $200 or more to the organization during the calendar year and the amount and date of the contribution. Any expenditure or contribution disclosed in a previous reporting period is not required to be included in the current reporting period.

(4) Contracts to spend or contribute
For purposes of this subsection, a person shall be treated as having made an expenditure or contribution if the person has contracted or is otherwise obligated to make the expenditure or contribution.
(5) Coordination with other requirements
This subsection shall not apply -

(A) to any person required (without regard to this subsection) to report under the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 (2 U.S.C. 431 et seq.) as a political committee,
(B) to any State or local committee of a political party or political committee of a State or local candidate,
(C) to any organization which is a qualified State or local political organization,
(D) to any organization which reasonably anticipates that it will not have gross receipts of $25,000 or more for any taxable year,
(E) to any organization to which this section applies solely by reason of subsection (f)(1), or
(F) with respect to any expenditure which is an independent expenditure (as defined in section 301 of such Act).

(6) Election
For purposes of this subsection, the term “election” means -

(A) a general, special, primary, or runoff election for a Federal office,
(B) a convention or caucus of a political party which has authority to nominate a candidate for Federal office,
(C) a primary election held for the selection of delegates to a national nominating convention of a political party, or
(D) a primary election held for the expression of a preference for the nomination of individuals for election to the office of President.

(7) Electronic filing
Any report required under paragraph (2) with respect to any calendar year shall be filed in electronic form if the organization has, or has reason to expect to have, contributions exceeding $50,000 or expenditures exceeding $50,000 in such calendar year.

(k) Public availability of notices and reports

(1) In general
The Secretary shall make any notice described in subsection (i)(1) or report described in subsection (j)(7) available for public inspection on the Internet not later than 48 hours after such notice or report has been filed (in addition to such public availability as may be made under section 6104(d)(7)).
(2) Access
The Secretary shall make the entire database of notices and reports which are made available to the public under paragraph
(1) searchable by the following items (to the extent the items are required to be included in the notices and reports):

(A) Names, States, zip codes, custodians of records, directors, and general purposes of the organizations.
(B) Entities related to the organizations.
(C) Contributors to the organizations.
(D) Employers of such contributors.
(E) Recipients of expenditures by the organizations.
(F) Ranges of contributions and expenditures.
(G) Time periods of the notices and reports. Such database shall be downloadable.

(l) Authority to waive
The Secretary may waive all or any portion of the -

(1) tax assessed on an organization by reason of the failure of the organization to comply with the requirements of subsection (i), or
(2) amount imposed under subsection (j) for a failure to comply with the requirements thereof, on a showing that such failure was due to reasonable cause and not due to willful neglect.


3 posted on 11/10/2008 6:32:15 PM PST by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I love it when theologians have a disagreement.


4 posted on 11/10/2008 6:38:43 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ($750 billion is nothing - surrender your children, wealth and gold fillings now to avoid the rush.)
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To: Alex Murphy

So much for being Christ-Like.

Christians by rear-end.


5 posted on 11/10/2008 6:44:22 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

6 posted on 11/10/2008 6:44:35 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Alex Murphy

When Monks Attack


7 posted on 11/10/2008 6:51:25 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (you don't need Big Givernment - Mistype by Oztrich Boy)
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To: Joe 6-pack
An old Emo Phillips joke:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

8 posted on 11/10/2008 7:08:09 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ($750 billion is nothing - surrender your children, wealth and gold fillings now to avoid the rush.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

LOL....are you familiar with the origins of the phrase, “one iota of difference”?


9 posted on 11/10/2008 7:12:25 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

No. Illuminate me.


10 posted on 11/10/2008 7:16:10 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ($750 billion is nothing - surrender your children, wealth and gold fillings now to avoid the rush.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
From answers.com:

Common English phrase

The word (iota) is used in a common English phrase, 'not one iota of difference', to signify a meaningless distinction (lit. "not even a small difference"). The phrase derives from the introduction to the Antithesis of the Law in the Gospel of Matthew (a jot or a tittle), and became common in the theological debate which arose around the time of the First Council of Nicaea, regarding the nature of the Holy Trinity. The argument centered on which of two alternative Greek words, differing only in a single 'iota' letter, should be used in describing Jesus' relationship to the Holy Trinity. One word, 'homoousios', would mean that Jesus was of the same substance as God the Father, and the other 'homoiousios', would mean that Jesus was of similar substance.

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It was quite literally, the difference over one singular letter which caused tremendous division in the early church.

11 posted on 11/10/2008 7:24:27 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I can understand division in the sense of defending truth and your understanding of it, but I can never understand the acrimony and fighting. If no accord is possible, simply part ways. In the case you cite, I’d have to side with the ‘same substance’ division, but I’m not interested in theological mayhem - let the dead bury the dead. To my lights, God has never seemed to care too much for the idea of a static organization representing his interests. Instead, yielded individuals tuned into his unchanging nature seem to carry his ideals and purposes forward.

BTW, thanks for your service - Veterans Day tomorrow!

G’night!


12 posted on 11/10/2008 7:40:07 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ($750 billion is nothing - surrender your children, wealth and gold fillings now to avoid the rush.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
"In the case you cite, I’d have to side with the ‘same substance’ division...."

LOL...I'd fall down on the "similar" side...simply because to me, "similar" can be both perfectly identical, and/or slightly different.


13 posted on 11/10/2008 7:46:51 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Alex Murphy

Whatever happened to “the first shall be last and the last shall be first”? (I know I forget this when I’m driving).


14 posted on 11/10/2008 8:24:17 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: huldah1776
Whatever happened to “the first shall be last and the last shall be first”?

It has been defined to mean that the last shall be first to throw a punch.

15 posted on 11/10/2008 9:39:12 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Alex Murphy

Any chance of this starting another Crimean war as happened at the Church of the Nativity in the 1840’s?


16 posted on 11/10/2008 9:46:07 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Alex Murphy

As I have said in another thread on this subject, we Christians MUST stop fighting each other and live the Gospel out in full.


17 posted on 11/11/2008 5:10:01 AM PST by Biggirl (Leave Sarah ALONE!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: SoConPubbie

No wonder non-believers do not respect us at the present time.


18 posted on 11/11/2008 5:11:29 AM PST by Biggirl (Leave Sarah ALONE!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Die, heretic!

Just kidding. Never claimed to be a theologian, but I try to read the Word as it as given. What’s more important to me, is how is the relationship with God. On that, I be we agree . . .


19 posted on 11/11/2008 5:21:48 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth ($750 billion is nothing - surrender your children, wealth and gold fillings now to avoid the rush.)
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To: Joe 6-pack; WorkingClassFilth
Apropos to the subject of this thread, there is a well-known legend that at the Council of Nicea, St. Nicholas was so infuriated by Arius' blasphemy that he slugged the heretic on the spot.

Lesser known is what St. Nicholas is alleged to have said to the heretic before he landed the blow: Ever zealous to defend the true doctrine of homoousion against Arius' errant iota, the saint shouted, "Why, iota knock your block off!" ;)
20 posted on 11/11/2008 5:22:54 AM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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