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1 posted on 10/15/2008 11:17:12 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Alex Murphy; Forest Keeper; xzins; P-Marlowe; Terriergal

Reformation Month Ping


2 posted on 10/15/2008 11:19:53 AM PDT by Gamecock (Sadistic preachers don't talk about Hell.)
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To: Gamecock

Lorraine Boettner’s book has been shown even by non-Catholics with a shred of objectivity to be a stinking pile of lies.


3 posted on 10/15/2008 11:21:18 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Gamecock

I have rarely seen so many lies and misrepresentations packed into so concise a piece of writing. The author rivals Alfred Rosenberg in skill.


5 posted on 10/15/2008 11:21:50 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Gamecock

It’s amazing that after two thousand years of history there is so little fault that can be attributed to the Catholic Church.

While Puritanism, Calvinism, and countless heresies have seen a rise and fall that have brought so much calamity to humanity.

G-d bless, Pope Benedict XVI, and thank you for gracing us with his Holiness John Paul II.

Go in peace to love and serve the Lord, friend.


7 posted on 10/15/2008 11:23:42 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments?)
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To: Gamecock

Anti-Catholic bigotry bookmark.


10 posted on 10/15/2008 11:30:24 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Gamecock

Anti-Catholic bigotry bookmark.


11 posted on 10/15/2008 11:30:32 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Alex Murphy
INSTITUTIONS
as
GOD
ALWAYS
FAIL
--horrifically--
. . .
and
usually
sooner
than
later.

13 posted on 10/15/2008 11:32:42 AM PDT by Quix (POL LDRS GLOBALIST QUOTES: #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Gamecock

I’ll say the Rosary for you.


14 posted on 10/15/2008 11:34:15 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Gamecock
John XXIII was described in Vicars of Christ: "He was noted as a former pirate"

Blessed John XXIII was a former pirate? Who are you kidding?

When you find a church on this planet without sinners, then ping us. That would be newsworthy.

50 posted on 10/15/2008 12:29:38 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Gamecock; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
As a faithful Catholic, I am placing this thread on IGNORE If you are Catholic, be aware that this thread contains slanders about the Catholic Church. We should not reward invincibly ignorant anti-Catholic bigots by engaging them in futile debate. Therefore, please do not respond to any of the lies about the Catholic Church contained on this thread.
Saint Paul pray for those who hate the Church.

86 posted on 10/15/2008 2:16:00 PM PDT by narses (http://www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace)
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To: Gamecock; wideawake; Petronski; Quix

Ahh.....it amuses this Italian to no end that our Anglo-American Protestant friends find such giddy, quasi-pornographic delight in uncovering the Secret Lives of the Popes! OOOH....looky here....this one put a dead guy on trial....this one had a mistress!!!

Listen up and listen good. Ain’t no one. And I mean NO ONE on this earth who knows the shenanigans and the intrigues and the sordid details of the Papacy better than us Italians. You folks read it in the history books, put your hands to your mouth and utter a demure little “oh my!”. We had to actually put up with this crap for a thousand years. Ain’t no scandal you can uncover, ain’t no bastard you can unmask, ain’t no mistress or sordid affair you can blow the lid off that we didn’t know about 200 years before it squirreled its way into your little books there.

You wanna talk papal shenanigans, then get off the podium, take a seat at the back of the classroom and we’ll take you to school.

But let’s not stop there though. Let’s tell the whole story—the parts of the story that Luther, that Calvin, that Boettner conveniently ignore. Because we Italians also know darn well that some of the most saintly men and women who have ever walked this earth loved this institution of the Papacy, protected it, defended it, honored it, and humbly obeyed it. Some of them even served in it. Why is that? Why did a man like St. Francis, who had more divine humility in his little fingernail than the insufferably proud Luther and Calvin could ever dream of, kneel at the foot of Innocent III and pledge his obedience? If the Pope is the Antichrist, then that makes St. Francis his faithful servant, and that, my friends, is the moment we veer off into complete insanity. Because if your conception of Christianity can’t include St. Francis, then I don’t know what religion you are in but it’s not the one that Christ Jesus founded.

Finally, let none of us be so ignorant of human nature to imagine that a reprobate who holds the office invalidates the office itself. If Alexander VI is our reason for rejecting the Papacy, then very well, let Bill Clinton or a President Obama be our rationale for rejecting the Presidency. Let’s stop voting. Declare ourselves in secession. Go off and write our own Constitution, and do in the secular sphere what some seem to advocate in the religious.

The analogy is that flawed. It’s that dumb. If the Roman See was set up by Divine Right, then by Divine Right it endures till the end of time I don’t care what miserable wretch holds the post and what he does to abuse it. Because what God has created man has not the power to destroy.


118 posted on 10/15/2008 6:49:15 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Gamecock; All
I tried to get Ken of Ken Fortier Ministries to participate in this discussion, but he refused because it thought it a stupid and worthless argument. Back when he was a Roman Catholic ("Catholic member" to those rejecting the noun "Roman") he published a little booklet called, I think, "The Papal Quandaries", which examined the claim of the "infalibility of the Pope."

Here is some of what he said in that booklet: As a student in Roman Catholic parochial schools for twelve years, two of which were mentored by priests for entry into the seminary, it was taught me that a pope cannot possibley be in error when teaching matters of faith handed down to the church. The reason given to me concerning this, and to put it in simple language, was that any Pope is "infallible" in matters of faith and morals because he is a successor of the Apostle Peter. To back this up, many claims were put forth. But as I advanced in age and in the study of religious history, many of the things I had been taught as the truth then proved to be as false as saying the moon was made of cheeze. A simple once-over glance through the teachings and the lives of the popes is enough to show any student the ridiculouseness of papal infallibility concerning matters of faith, much less morality.

Because information on the errors of some of the popes in matters concerning faith is virtually suppressed, and not allowed to be discussed in Roman Catholic Schools, and because the history courses taught to me were incomplete, I was forced, if I wanted to continue in a Religious History Major, to do research outside of the realms controlled by the Roman Catholic Authorities. Here is a brief look at what came to light: and from suppressed Roman Catholic sources at that!

Liberius (Pope? 352-366 AD), who is declared a saint of the Church, confessed to a heretical Arian Creed in order to gain the bishoprick of Rome under the rule of the pagan Emperor Constantius. He disagreed with and condemned Deacon Athanasius, the defender of the Nicene Creed, who also wrote that Liberius was a great opponent to the truth. Here is a Pope(?) - I question the title because it ws not in use as it was used starting in 610 AD and today - whose greed caused him to accept a heretical Creed of Faith; and shows us that some popes were not infallible concerning matters of faith that we must believe.

Zozimus (Pope? 417=-418 AD), a bishop of Rome during the time of the Great Augustine (a church father), was quick to pronounce Pelagius an orthodox teacher, but within a year changed his mind at the insistence of Augustine. Here is a pope, and a saint of the Church of Rome, being corrected in matters of fatih by a North African clergyman! Where is infallibiliby of the popes shown here?

Vigilius, who reigned in Rome as its bishop for 18 years (Pope? 538-555), condemned certain books teaching matters of faith, then shortly thereafter removed his condemnation. But this was not the end of the matter, for again he condemned these same books and again retracted his condemnation. The finally condemned them again! To me, he was very unsettled as far as being infallible in matters of faith, and didn't know what he was doing! To top this off, he boycotted the fifth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in 553 AD. When the Counsil proceeded without him and threatened to have him excommunicated and anathematized, he submitted to its power and confessed that he had been a tool of Satan (See Hefele, one of the best known Roman Catholic Historians, in his book, History of the Christian Councils, Vol. 4, page 345).

.........Ken, in that booklet, goes on and lists many more popes who were in error concerning articles of faith, which shows that they were not infallible at all. I won't go into them all because that would be redundant. As Ken said, if I remember correctly, quaerenda pecunia primum est, virtus post nummos -literally, let's keep our eye on the bottom line - infallibility is aegri somnia - a sick man's dreams!

It's too bad Ken refuses to take part in this topic, but I don't really blame him.

230 posted on 10/16/2008 7:16:26 PM PDT by Truth Defender (History teaches, if we but listen to it; but no one really listens!)
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To: Gamecock
Martin Luther's sayings:

Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly.... as long as we are here [in this world] we have to sin.... No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day." Letter to Melanchthon, August 1,1521 Luther's Works, vol. 48
237 posted on 10/17/2008 8:05:17 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Gamecock; Diego1618; wagglebee
(in)Famous Trinities

Triple Goddess
Diana-Phoebe-Hecate

The Three Maries (of the sea)

Triple Goddess Ngame

Roman
Juno-Jupiter-Minerva

The Persian Triad

Greek
Athena-Zeus-Hera

and of course…

The Three Bears

Three Blind Mice

The Three Little Pigs

And I would have included The Marx Brothers and the Three Stooges but they’re Jewish and as such they know better.

M

350 posted on 10/20/2008 11:55:17 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (What would John Lennon do?)
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