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To: DManA
In defense of the scientists, the Vatican did not allow them to take a representative sample of the shroud.

Yes and no. If no one had the definite knowledge at the time that the portion taken included repairs that added material of a much later origin, then there was no reason to say it wasn't believed to be representative. The only truly representative sample would be one in which the entire shroud is ground up, thoroughly mixed, and a small sample taken.
86 posted on 09/28/2008 7:55:12 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan; DManA; grey_whiskers
The only truly representative sample would be one in which the entire shroud is ground up, thoroughly mixed, and a small sample taken.

I disagree. That method would get inclusions of materials of unknown provenance and ages which would then be averaged into the age of the original material. The only real sample should be a part of the Shroud that includes image... then we know that what we are getting is the "real thing."

One of the issues that perplexed the original C14 samplers was how to provide blind testing with control samples of other pieces of Linen of known provenance. They decided that they really could not do so because they had a lot of difficulty in finding other linens with the distinctive 3:1 herringbone twill.

I think they were short sighted.

The solution to this problem would be to take the Shroud samples and the control samples from other cloths and merely de-constructed them under controlled conditions and send a pile of disconnected threads for each sample. This would remove the weave tell-tale and solve the blind testing problem. Using this method, none of the labs could have determined which were Shroud threads and which were control threads. Voila! Blind testing.

87 posted on 09/28/2008 9:45:29 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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