The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]

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[Salvation]

This is an Ecumenical thread. No antagonism. Perhaps you have not read the Religion Moderaotr's Guidelines for Ecumenical threads

[Salvation]

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[Forward the Light Brigade]

Our Bible’s bigger than your Bible!

I think we should add the Gospel of Thomas to the mix.

[Always Right]

This is an Ecumenical thread. No antagonism.

Then explain your post 22....

[Religion Moderator]

Post 22 is not antagonistic.

[Always Right]

I meant 21, sorry.

[Barnacle]

This is good. I'll read it more completely tomorrow.

[Iscool]

Let's see...One one side we have your popes and Catholic 'historical' writings...On the other side, we have the actual words of God...

Luk 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Jesus appears to know exactly what the Scripture is and what is contained in the Scripture...

Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Seems that Jesus thinks the slow of heart and the fools have ALL of the WORDS that the prophets spoke...

Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Again, they had ALL the Scriptures in front of them...

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

And there, Jesus lays it out...There's the O.T. canon...

So it seems that the OT canon was well established long before Jesus or your church showed up...And the Jewish believers, as we know historically rejected any and all of the extra books which your church later on said were part of the canon...

That settles the thing before your theory ever got off the ground...

[thefrankbaum]

And the Jewish believers, as we know historically rejected any and all of the extra books which your church later on said were part of the canon...

That isn't true. As the original article states (and has been stated numerous times on this Forum), there was no set canon of the OT. Jews certainly did believe all the books used by Catholics were to be included. Jewish believers AFTER CHRIST then historically rejected the deuterocanon - mostly because it was so very indicative of Him.

[Iscool]

As the original article states (and has been stated numerous times on this Forum), there was no set canon of the OT.

I don't care how many times you repeat that there was no canon...Jesus quoted from the OT canon...Jesus read from the completed canon of the OT scriptures...The Law, the Prophets and the Psalms...Jesus authored the canon and settled it...

It was completed...The Levites knew it was completed...They wrote it...You think the Levites waited around for a bunch of Catholics to tell them what was scripture and what wasn't???

[thefrankbaum]

So what was the deal with all those Jews not in Judea? Were they just denying their faith? As to the number quotes of the OT in the NT, I believe Salvation has a list of Scripture quotes comparing the NT with the Deuterocanon.

[IreneE]

I'm not a Catholic, however was born again in a born again Catholic Church, and my first and favorite Bible — even to this day — is the Jerusalem Bible.

My only very personal and subjective and not academic or scholarly thought about the “extra” books was my reaction to these books when I devoured my Bible as an eighteen year old.

When I would read the book of Wisdom or the stuff about Susannah in Daniel or the added stuff in Esther... it just seemed like some old Hebrew guy's idea of philosophy. I tended to wander from these added books simply because they did not “feed” me as the other Scripture did.

The metaphysical implications of the Word — "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God... and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” tells us that your post is very important.

You are actually saying that these other books are, metaphysically, God Himself.

Until I scanned this article, I tended to believe that the Canonical books were because of New Testament references to them. But this does put a few books like Song of Solomon out of the running, I suppose.

I wish I had more time in my life to really investigate why the Protestant scriptures are thus. For now, I've got to take the stand I took as a teenaged new believer and just hug my tattered old, now taped and coverless Jerusalem Bible, (not the New Jerusalem, btw) and do a Thomas Jefferson and skip the added texts. They didn't feed me. They weren't “alive and active, able to cut through the secret thoughts and emotions” like the double-edged sword of the Word.

Perhaps as an add on, when Jesus took this sword of the Spirit (the Word) to counter the Devil's twisted arguments against Him in the temptation in the desert, He used traditional texts to triumph over Satan's schemes.

This is the true import of the Word of God. “To pull down strongholds, and every argument that resists the knowledge of God”. Without God's breathed inherent power of the logical truth of the Word, we cannot be apologists for Him. We cannot disentangle the lies of the Enemy off the unbelievers we minister to. This article seems to skip the work-a-day necessity of the Word.

Those are my only concerns with it. Have no anti Catholic feeling except we don't need any other intermediary but Christ to God and every Catholic I know understands that.

Sorry if sounded preachy or off topic. I'll leave with my fave Jerusalem Bible quote:

“I am a cypress ever green... All of your fruitfulness comes from Me.”

Bless you bro for the post.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for sharing your testimony and insights, dear sister in Christ!

[Elsie]

Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]

Big deal.

The Mormons say THAT compliation is faulty and they have even MORE books than Catholics!

[Elsie]

You are actually saying that these other books are, metaphysically, God Himself.

The THEME of last Sunday's sermon...

[Elsie]

The message of salvation is brief. 

 

AMEN!!

John Chapter 6

 23.  Then some boats from Tiberias landed near the place where the people had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks.
 24.  Once the crowd realized that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into the boats and went to Capernaum in search of Jesus.
 25.  When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you get here?"
 26.  Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill.
 27.  Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
 28.  Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
 29.  Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
 30.  So they asked him, "What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do?
 31.  Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "
 32.  Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.
 33.  For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
 34.  "Sir," they said, "from now on give us this bread."
 35.  Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
 36.  But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.

[Elsie]

Good tagline!

VERY good!!

[GraniteStateConservative]

A useful post.