Posted on 08/28/2008 9:21:36 AM PDT by Ottofire
GRPL PING!
Time to hang up the spurs on this issue. Those closer to the Apostles knew what they were talking about... *sigh*
Ottofire! Good to see you around!
This IS a joke, right?
12.1 is TOTALLY incorrect regarding lions:
Lionesses DO have more than one litter of cubs. The cub does NOT tear up its mother’s womb.
The gestation period of the lion is NO WHERE NEAR 26 MONTHS. It is, in fact, more like 26 weeks.
Lions are NOT born fully developed.
I just don’t get the *weight* placed on perpetual Virginity. I have seen people go so far as to say that if after Christ had been Born Mary later had relations *with her husband* that she would have been a whore!
To me the Nature of Christ and the Gospel of Christ has Nothing to do with Mary. As special as she must have been in Gods eyes for him to use her as he did its still completely insignificant to Christ.
Amen!
“As special as she must have been in Gods eyes for him to use her as he did its still completely insignificant to Christ.”
And Mary is the first person to emphasize this fact — she never tried to take anything away from Christ’s glory to add to hers. Read the Magnificat, Luke 46...
Epiphany of the Salami!?
I have been trying to come up with a legitimate reason as to why I received a “Calvinist” apologetic and I can’t. I really have no interest in getting into debates with you people so I respectively ask that you take me off Calvinist Apolegetic pings.
I think my sig clearly designates what camp I am in.
Pax et bonum
Sadly, many of the early church fathers were given to flights of allegorical fancy. See Origen. Sadder still that some of their ideas caught on and infected a large portion of the Church.
That’s it??? That’s the whole deal??? Let me guess...This guy is a ‘church father’...
Yah'shua said :shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach AdonaiNAsbU Acts 20:29 "I know that after my departure
savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
To me the Nature of Christ and the Gospel of Christ has Nothing to do with Mary. As special as she must have been in Gods eyes for him to use her as he did its still completely insignificant to Christ.
AMEN!
Many pagan heresies sprang up in the days of the early church. It was inevitable. But that doesn't mean we need to agree with them.
This concoction of "perpetual virginity" of Mary only mirrors the RCC's schizophrenic mentality when it comes to sexuality, and that old "virgin/whore" dichotomy.
Loving, compassionate human sexuality in a God-ordained marriage between a husband and wife is a gift from God to His family, and that includes Mary and Joseph. So much so, in fact, that Christ used the metaphor of the bride and bridegroom several times when teaching us of His church on earth.
i'm still, screen name aside, trying to figure out how i got on the list. i certainly never asked to be put on it. None the less, i don't mind, neither do i participate much.
Most likely, somebody 'cherry picked' various lists. Don't worry about it. Send freepmail to who ever pingged you to this discussion.
“This concoction of “perpetual virginity” of Mary only mirrors the RCC’s schizophrenic mentality when it comes to sexuality, and that old “virgin/whore” dichotomy.”
It seems as if some get more offended when you say something along the lines of ‘Maybe she was or maybe she was not’. There are reasons to think she *could* have abstained (the age difference between her and Joseph for one. But I just think this falls under interesting debate which has nothing to do with the Gospel.
I’ve known lots of teens
who’d have lots of reasons to argue for
perpetual and renewable virginity.
. . . all such being about as reasonable and reality based in the final analysis as this rubber-Bible, rubber-history based bunch of fantasy.
IN SCRIPTURE
about Christ's blood half-brothers and sisters
to be absolutely conclusive.
The absolute nonsense about the words meaning otherwise just do not fit the logic nor context of the text.
And silliness expecting folks XXX years later to speak more authoritatively and accurately than
GOD'S WORD
is another level of blasphemy, imho.
They are nothing but bureaucratic, power-mongering groping for yet another rationalized, fantasized pseudo-justification for elite ecclesiastical power over the serfs.
That anyone would think that God or the authentic Mary would be anything but outraged is incredible.
Irony Alert
I am very grateful that I was raised to believe Jesus died for my sins. This provided the foundation for my faith today.
This type of silly nonsense is just one of many reasons why I today reject Catholicism out of hand.
Whether one wants to call themselves a Catholic or not is irrelevant.
Are you saved?
Do you know Jesus?
Get off of the heretical traditions and stick to Gods Word.
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