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Posted on 08/24/2008 4:10:20 AM PDT by restornu
Mormons, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly known as the Mormon Church believe that this life is not the end. Through the sealing power performed in the Temple, Mormons believe we can be together with our family forever through Jesus Christ. Heavenly Father sent Jesus Christ to pave the way for us to return to Him. This is the great plan of happiness!
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WE WILL BE TOGETHER FOREVER SOMEDAY Words and Music by: Michael Mclean
Will its harder to say goodbye and let go for time to ever erase, and its hard to see it end When the mem'ries we've just made may never happen again.
But its harder for time to ever erase the together times we've shared. So when we're apart remember all the love we've shared together And for all the love thanks the Lord above who showed us the way.
That we can be together forever someday We can be together forever someday We will be together forever someday.
"The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it." - Joseph Smith
Jesus, who is called Christ, is the firstborn of the Father in the spirit and the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. He is Jehovah, and was foreordained to his great calling in the Grand Councils before the world was.
He was born of Mary at Bethlehem, lived a sinless life, and wrought out a perfect atonement for all mankind by the shedding of his blood and his death on the cross. He rose from the grave and brought to pass the bodily resurrection of every living thing and the salvation and exaltation of the faithful.
He is the greatest Being to be born on this earth--the perfect example--and all religious things should be done in his name. He is Lord of lords, King of kings, the Creator, the Savior, the God of the whole earth, the Captain of our salvation, the Bright and Morning Star. He is in all things, above all things, through all things, and round about all things; he is Alpha and Omega, the first and the last; his name is above every name, and is the only name under heaven by which we can be saved.
He will come again in power and glory to dwell on the earth, and will stand as Judge of all mankind at the last day.
Of Him, the Prophet Joseph Smith said "And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!" (D&C 76:22)
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I'm Trying to be Like Jesus
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Together Forever: Mormons Believe Families Are Forever (1/5)
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Together Forever: Mormons Believe in Forever Marriages(2/5)
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Together Forever: Mormons Believe God Loves You (3/5)
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Together Forever: Mormons Belief in Life After Death (4/5)
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I'm confused. Does the title of this thread mean that Mormon families are ecumenical for all eternity or that this thread is?
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In my faith we believe when one marries until death do ye part or in the world that is true.
D&C 132
15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.
16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever
18 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
But when one is married and makes a covenant with the Lord under His authority one can be married for all eternity if they too honor the covenant they made with the Lord.
19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.
22 For strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the lives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23 But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that where I am ye shall be also.
24 This is eternal lives—to know the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
25 Broad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the deaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they receive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
Keep in mind gods is small "g" and has to do with the blessing of eternity and that these gods will always be subject to the Heavenly Father and Son.
Those who abide by the traditions of the world will be angels and will be The small "g" gods will be blessed with many of the attributes of the Heavenly Father and the Son but will never be above the Godhead.
Many like to take gods out of context and make it more than it is.
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Sorry - to most of us Christians, quoting from Doctrine & Covenants is proof of nothing, just a book made up in the 19th century.
While I disagree theologically, I congratulate and admire the LDS emphasis on strong families.
One could also say some who don’t believe (Atheist) or that is of the Jewish faith in their opinion the New Testamnet is a not a fact.
Being together forever with a spouse who abused and eventually killed could be a real drag. Sounds more like Hell than Heaven.
It’s OK. You don’t have to believe anything you don’t want to.
But my first question is always: Have you read it?
My second question is: Did you pray before you read it?
If the answer to either question is “No,” then it’s still OK if you don’t believe. “Free agency,” and all that!
I think the qualitative word here is “worthy.” If you’re sealed in the temple to someone who subsequently prooves unworthy for any reason, (any type of abuse, in this case) you can’t be with that person Forever because that person disregarded the Commandments.
The Ten Commandments always apply, and if you disobey them knowingly and willingly, you can’t expect to get blessings. While you have a right to choose your course in life, you don’t have a right to choose the punishment for disobedience to any of God’s laws.
Just as Catholics don’t believe divorces are valid, and that once married in the church means you are forever married to that person until death, the caveat is still the same. If you choose to disobey God’s Laws, then you are subject to God’s Punishment.
Logic says so.
The article states that "the sealing power performed in the Temple" is required for families to be together forever. That means the families are required to be "worthy" members of the LDS church.
Do you believe that as long as the LDS refuse to allow immediate family members to attend the weddings of their parents, children, brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, best friends unless those family members are considered "worthy" by adhering to this set of rules that allows a "temple recommend" or ticket of admittance, they are honoring families?:
Do you really believe that Jesus Christ intended for His followers to have to meet this criteria in order to spend eternity in His presence. I don't.
I’m not about to second-guess Jesus. My only responsibility is to obey as many of His Commandments that I know of, and trust the rest to His tender mercies.
None of us is perfect, and the only thing we can do is strive for perfection. You and I both know we’ll never make it on this earth, but I believe that since Jesus knows the desires of our hearts, our needs and wants will be met in the Eternities with whatever rewards our efforts have merited.
I believe Jesus wants all the world to be with Him in Eternity, including all those who have gone before us, and all those who will come after. We both agree that the only way we can accomplish that is to believe in Him and obey His Word.
So what about all the people who have never heard of Jesus, and who never will? Don’t you think a Just Jesus would make provisions for such people? The temple accomplishes that with bastisms for the dead.
That’s what genealogy is all about. Once you have gone through the temple and gotten your own blessings, each time you go through after that is vicarious for someone who has passed on, be it in your family or someone elses. Eventually, all who have ever lived will know Jesus Christ and be saved.
Temples are not secret...they are sacred. They have been since the first one was built in Biblical times.
The dead are required to undergo by proxy, the same ordinances the living are in the temples. That includes being confirmed a member of the LDS church.
"Following baptism, the deceased must be confirmed a member of the Mormon Church. This ceremony does not have to be performed by the same proxy by the baptism, and usually isn’t. The proxy sits in a chair, and two Mormon Elders place their hands on the proxy’s head, and repeat the following, for each deceased person.
Brother _______, in the name of Jesus Christ, we lay our hands upon your head, for and in behalf of _______, who is dead, and confirm you a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and say unto you, Receive the Holy Ghost. Amen."
http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/rituals.shtml
You state: "Eventually, all who have ever lived will know Jesus Christ and be saved." What is your definition of "being saved"?
Is it the LDS version that you will enter into the presence of God and His Son IF you are found "worthy" enough to enter the Celestial Kingdom...which is ONLY attainable, in mormon belief, through undergoing the ordinances and rituals (whether living or dead) and "doing all you can do" by adhering to the rules and doctrines of LDS belief? Is THIS what you think a "just" Jesus would restrict his children to?
I’m not familiar with the “LDS version” of being saved. I know that to me, being saved means to have a change of heart, (from sinful ways) and a belief that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
As I said earlier, I’m not going to second-guess Jesus Christ. Anyone who has the change of heart, and accepts Jesus Christ is “saved” whether living or dead.
Don’t clutter up the discussion by trying to get me to argue about what you’ve quoted, because I’m not responsible for any of the doctrine. I didn’t write it and I wasn’t there when it was written. The rest of it, I leave up to someone with more intelligence than I have. That would be Jesus Christ.
Man can interpret doctrine from any source, no matter what his religion, according to his own revelation. I’m not here to do that. I won’t argue doctrine.
If you ask me of my beliefs, I’m pretty much as you see me here. The things I don’t understand, I either ask for wisdom to do so, or I let it be, since I can’t change it.
And I certainly won’t demand that anyone adhere to my beliefs.
Let me ask you a question: Does it matter what you believe if it is proved to be false? Or does it matter what someone else believes if it is later to be proved true?
When will we know the Truth of all things? Not in this life, for sure. So arguing whose belief is correct is not really an argument, because the only thing that is important is our belief in Jesus Christ.
But there are millions of people who are not believers of Jesus Christ, but I would like to think that He has “Plan B” for them, and only if they are willing. He is not going to take away anyone’s free agency to make them believe in Him.
A person who is dead does NOT have to accept baptism! Again, they are given free agency.
We are ON a thread that is promoting LDS doctrine. You have espoused the doctrine of baptism for the dead as being a "plan B" for saving souls and stated "Anyone who has the change of heart, and accepts Jesus Christ is “saved” whether living or dead."
That doctrine has quite a few conditions attached to it. I pointed them out, and questioned if Jesus would endorse the plan.
I won't post to you again on this thread, however, I'd be happy to discuss your ideas on salvation via FReepmail, if you prefer.
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