Posted on 08/18/2008 11:07:43 AM PDT by koinonia
In a Blog entry entitled "The New Christology", Fr. John O'Keefe writes:
Calling Jesus “Saviour” or “Redeemer”, to say that Jesus was sent by God to die for me, and that I should pray to Jesus is quite ludicrous. To take the literal meaning of most of the scripture texts as being absolute truth is to make the scriptures stories of complete fantasy...
Was Jesus God? No, Jesus was a human being who had to learn about God in the same way that we learn... Jesus had no special privileges, no special knowledge, but the spark of divinity that is in all of us was something that he so easily brought into play.
Was Jesus the saviour of the world? There doesn’t seem to be much salvation in the world I know. He may well have been saviour to those people whose lives he influenced, but putting all our trust in Jesus as our one and only saviour has not had any great effect. Jesus was perhaps saviour of the world in showing us how to live our lives in a creative, a forgiving and a compassionate way.
The best translation of the Greek word "Logos" that I have come across is "creative energy"... Yes, Jesus was full of the creative energy of God and showed that energy is so many ways, in the familiarity of his relationship with God, in all the things he said and did... We have to recognise that creative energy of God in other people, not just in Jesus. There is one thing I have been saying for a long time, and firmly believe: ALL THAT JESUS WAS WE CAN BE!
(Excerpt) Read more at catholica.com.au ...
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Some may not be suitable for family viewing. This is bizarre, IMO.
That’s supposed to be a Catholic saying that?
“Any comments on this one?”
The Great Schism made this sort of apostasy inevitable.... :)
Only one: why does this person continue to pretend to be a Christian? His comments fly in the face of Trinitarian doctrine and are (here comes the “b” word) blasphemous, in that they deny the deity of Jesus Christ.
Bring it on.
John, Ted and Nancy call themselves Catholic too.
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I didn't know the Unitarians had priests.
Jesus was a New Age guru. NOT
Wow this is really dumb. I know atheists who know the Bible better than this guy.
That webstite is like going to a natural history museum and looking at dinosaurs. I didn’t know there were that many left-wing catholics left. I figured JPII had sent them all packing. These guys are not supportes of the pope and evne question the divinity of Jesus. How can they even claim to be Christian - let alone catholic Christians?
Bring it on.
I think it's totally OK to call it what it is, so long as no kindling or stakes are involved.
This is actually kind of interesting for me. Since being saved I have come across people with diverse opinions on one doctrine or another. But I've never though, "hey this guy crossed the line". Now here I see this guy and it's clear to me that he crossed it at some point (and apparently left it far behind).
So anyways, I wonder, what is the line? My thoughts are that the core of our faith is Jesus Christ, who is God who chose to become flesh to suffer and die for our sins.
And so a lot of people in my Bible study and church, I hear a lot of things against what Catholics believe and what not. For example it's brought up that they pray to Mary (and other saints).
I knew an orthodox guy who did the same and he said basically that "would God have time for us? that's why we need these guys to intervene". He also believed that to be saved you had to be a member of the orthodox church because it is "the church".
Now, I've found this bits to be false from the Bible and from my own experience with God. So what does that bad doctrine mean? Is that beyond a line? Are these guys still my Christian brothers?
My thinking is that yes, it's wrong. So it's what, a sin? Is it a different kind of sin then my sins? Are they forgiven with the rest of our sins?
What about the wrong ideas or notions we have in our own doctrine? Surely none of us have it all down perfectly, surely we all have a few mistakes?
I think that if you have faith in Jesus then those sins are forgiven. So I think that's the line between a Christian and non-Christian...faith in Christ who is God and one with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Please let me know your thoughts.
Wait, why was my #9 removed? :(
Clearly they’ve cornered the market in indulgences.
I don’t know if this is the same O’Keefe but it would not surprise me.
The article I read he went on about how Christ was incarnate since creation and how that tied into the Eucharist.
I’ll check my source when I get home.
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