Posted on 07/28/2008 1:08:50 PM PDT by IreneE
An ICA 'APOSTLE' SPEAKS OUT on LAKELAND -Andrew Strom.
[With huge thanks to RevivalSchool member 'SoulDan' for his help].
First, let me start by saying that Robert Ricciardelli has been incredibly bold and courageous in speaking out on this issue in recent days. He is one of the very few from NAR circles who have dared to speak up - firstly on blogs and on the radio - and even on our own Forum at RevivalSchool.com, etc. Robert is a member - a "marketplace apostle" in Peter Wagner's "International Coalition of Apostles" (ICA). He is the real deal. For him to speak out about Lakeland is a very brave act indeed. Plus he is a Charisma Magazine writer and a friend of Lee Grady.
Last week on July 14th Robert was a guest on Radio KGNW - where he spoke of how he had just come back from Lakeland, and told of his deep concerns and the background research that he had been doing. On July 16th he commented on one Internet blog: "Truth is there are very few people being healed in Lakeland. I have worked with Charisma Magazine editor Lee Grady in discovering how many false reports have been released as facts. These are our brothers and sisters involved in this, but this move of God has been a move of men with God still touching some who come to seek Him."
On another blog he wrote: "Charisma reporters and a few others like myself have tried to get these verified and cannot... We actually had offered to help, because any news of a resurrection in my opinion is world news if it can be validated. But then when the totals continued to mount which led to hype and embellishment, they began to ask us to stop asking questions. Hmmmm?
"Friday night, Todd said that God said there were 1000 people that were to give $1000, and they were to receive a 1000 fold blessing. The one hour drama on this giving subject was so deceptively evident that it was embarrasing to watch. On top of that, those that would give that money were able to come to the platform to be recognized."
Concerning the 'Resurrections' in Lakeland, Robert wrote: "We have investigated the 20 plus "raised from the dead" claims as we want to report them to the media, and they cannot be verified, but were only called in, or sent in from an email. This is not responsible reporting, and leaves many questions, which also adds to the claims of hype and embellishment." [~Robert Ricciardelli blog comments - 'jasonclark.ws' & 'stevehickey.wordpress.com']
The hour-long broadcast that Robert did on KGNW is also causing quite a stir as it does the rounds on the Internet.
On our own Forum at RevivalSchool.com, Robert publicly added the following comments:
"Peter Wagner and Chuck Pierce nominated me as a marketplace apostle 6 years ago. I threw the title away before I ever got it. I am not into titles, but I am into functions. The Lord told us "yes" to engage, and He was going to show us some truth in the process. Being engaged has given us a great oportunity to see the good, the bad, and the ugly of the apostolic/prophetic movements. The biggest thing along the way is the friends and associates we have met that have a biblical worldview much the same as we do...
"After this year we will pray about next year and so far it looks like the Father is giving us a sense that we may not to be a part of the ICA if Peter and the leadership do not reconsider their impromptu decision to jump into the Lakeland stream, when many of us warned him not to. It was a mistake to coronate, when they needed to father and correct Bentley from the direction he is heading others into. It just put more fuel in his errant tank.
"I am praying for Todd, because he really is an evangelist, and he is a gifted evangelist. But he cannot go on embellishing, speaking untruths, hyping, manipulating, shoving, kicking, slapping, leg dropping, and bamming his way on the pulpit without consequences. God will not be mocked, and Todd and others must answer to Him for everyone led astray.
"The biggest thing about Lakeland is the lack of the fear of our Awesome God, lack of repentance and humility. Many have exchanged the truth for a lie and chosen experience over content. Angels, trances, and 3rd heaven focus has replaced the gospel as a focus... Lord do what only you can do to bring your divine alignment to all of us in Jesus name.." [-end quote]
I took note of the fact that Robert said that "many" had warned Peter Wagner not to jump into the Lakeland stream. I also noted that Robert seemed to be saying that he himself may leave the ICA over this issue. I thanked him publicly for his courage in speaking out, and asked him if there really was a lot of disagree- ment even within Wagner's own movement?
Robert replied: "To answer your question, yes there is at least a dozen ICA members that I know of that are extremely concerned at Peter's endorsement and more to follow as the nonsense continues. The transferring of anointing, the focus on man bringing anything but the gospel is amazing and sad.... if Peter Wagner, Bill Johnson, and some distinguished members of the Who's Who in Charismania say it is all good, then people just go with it. Some have begun to see the YouTube and other information and begun to change. Some go as far as to claim it as deception, others say it is a move of God that needs correction.
"It is my opinion that it was man orchestrated and demonically influenced from the very beginning. The worship has been good and Roy Fields is an awesome worship leader, so many in the worship and even watching from afar can sense God in the worship of His people. The truth is God has been engaged in the worship and has touched and healed some. This is why it has been so confusing to some. I have heard that Roy Fields has stated a few times that when the worship ends, God's presence leaves the platform, and then Todd Bentley operates void of His presence. That is why most all of what they have claimed cannot be verified, because it just is not happening.
"We have heard a few people getting well, being touched and so on. There is a church here in North Carolina that brought 27 sick down there for a week. Some with cancer, leukemia, diabetes and such. None got healed and most were worse when they came back. The emperor is not wearing any clothes and the truth must be known. Many are claiming that Todd is the new thing that God is doing. The fact is he is still operating in the old thing, and operating with less integrity and character than the previous one man shows.
"God is about nameless and faceless people who are operating without any agenda but the Lord's. Preaching about the King and His Kingdom, and moving supernaturally after Him, and as they do, signs and wonders follow. The problem in Charismania is that they seek the sign, they seek the thrill, they seek the craft supply quality gold dust, feathers and gems. They may get the chills and frills, but leave with nothing more than goose bumps and really little spiritual change. When they seek the King, the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, you begin to see transformation take place at the heart level. This is God's way and always has been... Bentley is just a product of the Charismatic/ apostolic/ prophetic trending away from Plumb line truth. At the same time the fact is, none of us amount to much, no not one. But in Him and dying to self and living His agenda, we can move mountains... The church is getting there, I wrote an article for Charisma that everything that can be shaken is being shaken, and this is what is happening in a great way right now..." [end quote]
Friends, please write to Robert encouraging him if you can for the courageous stand he is taking.
See more of his comments + links to his article & radio show on the 'Scrolling Forum' at the following website (main page) -
http://www.revivalschool.com
God bless you all,
Andrew Strom.
Wagner, Chuck Pierce, Rick Joyner, Che Ahn all have their roots in William Branham's heretical "Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God/doctrine of the Five Fold Ministry". It is scary stuff, once you peel back the veneer of Christianese.
Mr. Ricciardelli is just waking up and looking around at the Delusion. I will be praying for him.
God Bless Robert Ricciardelli for his boldness. Christ’s name is to be revered not dragged through the mud by prosperity teaching and Dominionism.
FYI.
it’s missing big time in Lakeland, thank you.
Thanks for the ping. It’s good when a blind pig finds an acorn. The more people that recognize the demonic truth behind Bentley’s message and methods, the better.
I had to think about that blind pig/acorn for a long moment, then I busted up.
Some of you Christian Freepers should be in Christian standup.
Sober videos from Andrew Strom - a refuge from the false prophet movement - critiquing Todd Bentley.
Thanks for the ping. I’m glad the Lakeland thing is coming to a close in August, but concerned that the circus is planning to go “on the road”...I hope not to our town.
Blind Pig-Acorn is one of my dear hubby’s favorite sayings. ;-) I pray for discernment among God’s people.
Welcome :). He may attempt some huge, overseas, Benny Hinn type venue...who knows. I agree with you, I hope he’s not coming to my town. I saw the video today of him kicking a man with stage 4 colon cancer in the stomach. You know there is serious error and violence involved when you look around to make sure children aren’t in the room when you watch him in action. His words and actions continue to expose him for what he is, a fraud and deceiver.
After researching him all night the first time I heard of him and seeing the youtube videos, I felt a clear and unmistakeable direction from the Lord. I cannot, am not to listen to him. Watching one of the videos is okay, but I turn the volume off. After that first night of watching, I felt as though I needed a spiritual shower, and spent time in prayer...as well as praying for discernment and protection throughout the initial watchings.
Perhaps he started out right but now - all this, lying about the tattoos, violence — its just too much. I feel the man is demon possessed.
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