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Interfaith 'cooperation' at Saddleback (Warren Alert)
One News Now ^ | 7/25/2008 | Jim Brown

Posted on 07/26/2008 8:40:15 AM PDT by Gamecock

California mega-church pastor Rick Warren says Christians should not be reticent to work with Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, and even atheists to cure societal problems.

In conjunction with the presidential forum he is hosting next month at Saddleback Church, Pastor Rick Warren will convene an interfaith meeting for 30 Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders "to discuss cooperation for the common good of all Americans."

Warren's global P.E.A.C.E. plan is an effort to mobilize churches around the world to combat what he calls the five "global giants" of spiritual emptiness, corrupt leadership, poverty, disease and illiteracy. But he says he has no desire for interfaith dialogue; rather he is interested in interfaith cooperation "on things that involve all humans regardless of what we believe."

"When Jesus sent his disciples out [Matthew10]...he said, 'When you go into a village, you find the man of peace,' and he said, 'If he accepts, and he's open, and he's receptive and he's willing to work with you, you start your ministry there,'" says Warren. "[But Jesus] said, 'If you don’t find the man of peace, you dust the dust off your shoes and you go to the next village [be]cause you can always find someone that's willing to work with you," he continues.

Warren notes he was recently part of a group at Georgetown University that brought together three leading Catholic priests, three Muslim imams, three Jewish rabbis, and three evangelical pastors to discuss what they could do together to stop AIDS.


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1 posted on 07/26/2008 8:40:15 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
"When Jesus sent his disciples out [Matthew10]...he said, 'When you go into a village, you find the man of peace,' and he said, 'If he accepts, and he's open, and he's receptive and he's willing to work with you, you start your ministry there,'"

EXCUSE ME! A man of peace?

It reads (Matthew 10)11 And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart. 12 As you enter the house, greet it. 13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.

In this context worthy clearly refers to one who believes.

Warren's rewriting of Scripture never ceases to amaze me.

2 posted on 07/26/2008 8:44:41 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ...

YBPDLNPL Ping


3 posted on 07/26/2008 8:46:04 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock

You forgot the barf alert.


4 posted on 07/26/2008 8:46:44 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Gamecock

“Warren’s rewriting of Scripture never ceases to amaze me.”

Same here.

Yet the sheeple LOVE HIM!


5 posted on 07/26/2008 8:47:27 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

With Warren in the title a barf alert would be redundant. <:-)


6 posted on 07/26/2008 8:47:45 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock

If Rick keeps at it, perhaps he can establish a one-world religion founded upon secular needs. The heart of man is desperately wicked, who can know it? I’m sure Rick feels he’s above it, anointed as it were ...


7 posted on 07/26/2008 8:48:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Gamecock
Warren notes he was recently part of a group at Georgetown University that brought together three leading Catholic priests, three Muslim imams, three Jewish rabbis, and three evangelical pastors to discuss what they could do together to stop AIDS.

I suspect it involves massive amounts of U.S. taxpayer dollars to the third world.

8 posted on 07/26/2008 8:49:28 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Gamecock
The next two verses should also be included to fully understand Jesus instructions to His believers.

Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
9 posted on 07/26/2008 8:55:45 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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what they could do together to stop AIDS

Doing that envolves a level of morality that most of the world today, it seems, is not cabaple of posessing. It would also seem that logic might work, but logic has far less power than sex. Christianity has the answer but Mr. Warren will have to abandon that answer in order to maintain an interfaith unity. The claims of the gospel of Christ are imcompatible with other religions. Warren, in my opinion, is a fool.

10 posted on 07/26/2008 9:04:11 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: Gamecock
When Jesus sent his disciples out [Matthew10]...he said, 'When you go into a village, you find the man of peace,'
Warren's rewriting of Scripture never ceases to amaze me.


Why should it amaze you at all? Even the Devil can quote Scripture if it fits his purposes.

Warren is just a lower echelon, garden variety false prophet basking in the adulation of the deluded masses.
11 posted on 07/26/2008 9:09:31 AM PDT by mkjessup (Obama-flakes! = Little suntanned Jimmy Carters with twice the empty rhetoric , from DNC cereals!)
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To: Gamecock
I live and work in Orange County, where Warren has his Saddleback Church. I first heard of Warren through one of my favorite conservative talk show hosts at the time (a few years ago), Hugh Hewitt. Hugh sung Warren's praises, and when fate put in my way a copy of Warren's "Purpose Driven Live," I read it and felt badly because I didn't come away with any significant impression of being touched. Christ is my savior I know only too well through His grace for me in troubled times and He is everything in my life, the reason I have my lovely husband and career and so many blessings.

Warren ... I was disappointed in his book, and felt like it was probably something lacking in me, and it bothered me, mostly because of my great respect for Hugh Hewitt.

THEN Hugh became a shameless, aggressive, unprincipled shill for Mitt Romney. The more I learned about Romney, the more things fell into place about Hugh, who is in many ways the very definition of the Country Club Republicans Rush talks about. Hugh is a pointy-headed intellectual lawyer. Meanwhile, in my work-a-day life in Orange County, I had cause to work temporarily for a prosperous businessman who was an admirer of Warren (and Hugh Hewitt) and I think a member of Warren's church. This man turned out to be one of the most cliquiesh, elitist and exclusionary, arrogant, denigrating bosses I have ever had to deal with -- with a smile on his fact the whole time, being very civil, and I'm sure believing in his heart that he was as righteous and holy as Rick Warren assured him he was.

It was very enlightening, and a big part of the reason Romney stinks so very, very much to me. The only good thing about McCain is that he's actually not as bad as Romney. If Romney gets the VP nod, I will work to see them both defeated because in the long run, Obama would be the lesser of the evils. IN THE LONG RUN.

As for Rick Warren, I think he fools himself as much as he does his followers.

12 posted on 07/26/2008 9:33:34 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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“’When Jesus sent his disciples out [Matthew10]...he said, “When you go into a village, you find the man of peace,” and he said, “If he accepts, and he's open, and he's receptive and he's willing to work with you, you start your ministry there,”’ says Warren. ‘[But Jesus] said, “If you don’t find the man of peace, you dust the dust off your shoes and you go to the next village [be]cause you can always find someone that's willing to work with you,’ he continues.”

Rarely have I read such a twisted, contorted use of the Holy Scriptures: a denial of context and the purpose for the Gospel of Matthew itself, for the purpose of, essentially, becoming a politician.

So, come on, Warren, now begin quoting some similar place in the Quaran that says something roughly similar — you want to get along so well, you might as well use their writings, too! How about the writings of the Shiites, Ismalia, Nusayri, Zayds, Irabids, B’aha’i (putting the apostrophe in the wrong place can cause WWIII), Buddhists, Mahayanna, Hinayana, Mantrayana, Zen, Rosicrucians, Theosophists, Mary Baker Eddie, the Humanist Manifestos I & II.

What you are proving, Warren, is that you don't believe at all what the Bible says about the origins of man's woes and warfare (James 4:1-4; Romans 1:18-32; etc.), nor do you believe what the Bible says about the Remedy. If you really did, you would know that you can't walk with these people across a Walmart parking lot (Amos 3:3).

You should be declaring to your buddies in religious lostness why the whole world lieth in wickedness (1 John 5:19, 20). You know the issue is sin and man's sin nature (well, let's just say you know it intellectually). But you've been telling people for so long in your sermons, seminars, books and CDs that people shouldn't deal directly with sin -— why, you've started to believe, yourself, Warren, that the world's problems can be fixed by working with people who don't have an understanding of the True and Living God, they deny Christ, they reject the Bible - - - THEY REJECT TRUTH! And you trust people like that. You all can try to bring in the millennium without Christ if you want.

And why was it again that I should grow a goatee, wear a Hawaiian shirt to church and buy a copy of Purpose Driven something or ‘tother

13 posted on 07/26/2008 9:54:44 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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Warren's global P.E.A.C.E. plan is an effort to mobilize churches around the world to combat what he calls the five "global giants" of spiritual emptiness, corrupt leadership, poverty, disease and illiteracy. But he says he has no desire for interfaith dialogue; rather he is interested in interfaith cooperation "on things that involve all humans regardless of what we believe."

Seems like a worthwhile effort for anyone who cares about the welfare of others. Good for Rick!

14 posted on 07/26/2008 10:30:33 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: John Leland 1789

Thanks, i needed a good rant this day. That hit just the right spot.


15 posted on 07/26/2008 11:25:11 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Finny

Dude ouch to Romney. Is it the fact that he blatantaly lies about being a hunter or his flip floping on abortion...what is it that you hate so much.

I for one love that he changed to pro life. But hate that he openly lies about being a big time hunter and other pathetic things.

What are a few of the reasons you hate him so much?

I actualy think he is quite good in economics and since that is a huge issue to me (Concidering i dont like Obamas moral stance, and i dislike the fact that Mcain does not even know how intrest works...let alone the econ of the nation) I think I would be more likely to vote for a ticket with Romney as VP.


16 posted on 07/26/2008 12:54:20 PM PDT by beforeadam
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To: Gamecock
"When Jesus sent his disciples out [Matthew10]...he said, 'When you go into a village, you find the man of peace,' and he said, 'If he accepts, and he's open, and he's receptive and he's willing to work with you, you start your ministry there,'" says Warren. "[But Jesus] said, 'If you don’t find the man of peace, you dust the dust off your shoes and you go to the next village [be]cause you can always find someone that's willing to work with you," he continues.

Warren notes he was recently part of a group at Georgetown University that brought together three leading Catholic priests, three Muslim imams, three Jewish rabbis, and three evangelical pastors to discuss what they could do together to stop AIDS.


Aaaahhh! The sweet breeze of social theology. If there is a "social ill" out there, there is no doubt that we can find (or squeeze) a verse in the Bible to make daisies and lemon-ade of it.

Just can't wait 'til someone tackles alcholism by saying that God wouldn't want Christians to drink a beer in order to not have the appearance of evil. < /snarky comments >

Yes, I'm a Southern Baptist, but also a Sam Adams Boston Lager fan.
17 posted on 07/26/2008 1:59:43 PM PDT by raynearhood ("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
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To: Gamecock
EXCUSE ME! A man of peace?

Warren didn't like what Jesus said, so he made up his own scripture...

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

19 posted on 07/26/2008 5:17:53 PM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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To: beforeadam
Two ... no, three -- things make Romney deserving of the trash heap.

1. Government involvement in private health care -- MittCare. Socialized medicine. Very, very bad.

2. I saw him quickly raise his hand in agreement and suddenly lower it again in the debates when the "question" essentially was, "Raise your hand if you believe in global warming." Fred Thompson was the only guy so speak out first and aggressively, and Mitt immediately twisted his hand in a "so-so" gesture and put his hand down. I've read quotes of his that have said such ninny nonsense as "cooperating with environmentalists doesn't have to affect business." Now that is pure, utter bullsh*t. The guy will go along with a very dangerous hoax to get along. At your and my expense.

3. As governor of Mass., his office officially sanctioned a group called "Gay Youth Pride." These are junior high kids. Mitt and McCain both certainly incline toward favoring FEDERAL force dictating that you, me, as an employee or employer or landlord or free-lance worker or anybody else -- cannot discriminate and withhold your acceptance of open homosexuality. And lending credence to seventh graders who parade in public events of the pride they have in their homosexuality, and how wicked anyone is not to think that's just so cool! Poor damned kids are so hyped and confused -- it's just plain rotten.

I don't hate Romney or McCain. I HATE LIBERALISM.

20 posted on 07/26/2008 6:27:12 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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