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Joseph Smith's First Vision: Fact or Fiction?
MRM ^ | Wesley Walters

Posted on 07/24/2008 12:37:23 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Stourme

Jonah 3:10
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
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Stop taking Scripture out of context...

This comes from never having read The Bible for yourself...

Rocket Science would be a breeze for you, compared to tossing out scriptures after 40 years of ignoring the Word of God..

The WORKS were REPENTANCE......

For Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. 2 Corinthians 7:10

The whole passage of Scripture...

Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Jon 3:5 ¶ So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

Jon 3:6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered [him] with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

Jon 3:7 And he caused [it] to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:

Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that [is] in their hands.

Jon 3:9 Who can tell [if] God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

Jon 3:10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not.


81 posted on 07/27/2008 7:22:30 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Zakeet

That science will prove the earth has knobs on each end
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Oooooooooooooooo I like that one...

Did Admiral Byrd crash into one when he flew over the North Pole ???


82 posted on 07/27/2008 7:29:47 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

No silly, they are retractable...

God’s is a very smart guy, he did not want unauthorized people spinning the globe....


83 posted on 07/27/2008 7:38:36 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Stourme; MHGinTN; ejonesie22; Tennessee Nana; SENTINEL; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; ..
Welcome to FR.

Revelation 20:12 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Well, when people want to be judged by their works instead of depending on the grace and mercy of God, then they shouldn't be surprised when God gives them what they want.

Besides, when they reject Christ, there's nothing left for the judgment to be made on. It's Christ or the Law. If you reject Christ, the Law is the only other option.

84 posted on 07/27/2008 7:40:54 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ejonesie22

Oh, silly me...

Admiral Byrd called ahead and reserved a knobfree day to fly...

:)


85 posted on 07/27/2008 7:42:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Well we would not want him knocking the world over...
86 posted on 07/27/2008 7:45:03 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Perhaps demons can ‘see’ magnetic lines of force. If so, the view of our ionesphere would tend to look like knobs were located at the North and South poles. It is curious, eh?


87 posted on 07/27/2008 7:45:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Stourme
Gal 3:1-14 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

If you add anything to the work of Christ on the cross, you're saying that the death of Christ is not good enough to save you. If your works are needed in addition because they're good enough and Christ's death isn't, then your works should be good enough by themselves and that's what you're depending on; not Christ's death.

Way to spit in the face of Christ and tell Him He didn't do enough for you; that you can do better. I don't think so.

88 posted on 07/27/2008 7:49:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Stourme did a word search on ‘works’. You can’t expect him to understand what he found. Note the astonishing contradiction of his own argument by one of the passages he used thinking it verified his specious assertion! Maybe he will get busy and actually read the passages in context now. [2Cor 11:15]


89 posted on 07/27/2008 7:50:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks for the ping!


90 posted on 07/27/2008 7:55:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Godzilla; greyfoxx39; MHGinTN; ejonesie22; wmfights
It is not the name of our church which brings salvation, but the One who brings us that salvation by grace - not by works. As a Christian, I am a member of Christ's catholic (universal) church throughout the ages - all believers who have accepted God's grace through Jesus. It doesn't matter if we choose to worship in a barn, former bar or large cathedral, Christ promised us that where 2 or 3 gather, He is in our midst.

I usually lurk and just read these threads, but every once in a while...

It is indeed strange that the door-knockers can't grasp the true unity of the body of Christ. Have had the visits from the guys with the 'Elder Soandso' name tags and from some other group that says they are witnesses of something or other and it seems that sooner or later they want to talk about what church I go to and then suggest that I'm not doing it right because there are so many different church names out there while they (whichever 'they' it is that day..) are the true way because they are united, bigger, have new revelations, have the real Bible and/or all of the above...

It is distracting that the Body of Christ has managed to find ways to put different names on the sign in front of their buildings. It is true that attending any one of these buildings does not make you a Christian any more than going to McDonalds makes you a BigMac. It is also true that not everyone who attends any of the various buildings for worship is a true Christian. It is even more true that from all the various 'church' groups that say they are followers of Christ there are those who know, as Godzilla said, the One who has called us and gives us salvation through His grace, they are the true Church.

One of the activities that I have been attending yearly (since 1983) is something called the Creation Festival, a four day outdoor music and teaching event that is held in the middle of Pennsylvania (here on the right coast) and now also in George, WA (on the left coast.) It is an event for Christians of any and all denominational affiliations.

I bring this up because some years ago now I was doing youth work at a Baptist church and my friend was youth pastor at an AoG church. Our groups would do things together and one of the events we combined on was the Creation Festival. It happened that whichever one of us would send in for the tickets would name the group for that year under his or my church name. We both found that in the course of promoting that year's event we would run into people who reacted strangely to either the Baptist or the Assy of God name. We both found that to be upsetting since the group that attended with us was not really exclusively from our two churches. People were getting hung up on the name of the church rather than what we were trying to accomplish. About 15 years ago we decided that the church name, whichever one we used, was more a hindrance than a help so we changed the name of our group to the name of a band we once were a part of.

Now our group includes people from three states, various denominations (we have Presbyterian, Reformed, AoG, Lutheran, and Roman Catholic represented in the core group) and we enjoy the time each year getting together with other members of the Body of Christ to worship and fellowship without the confines of the man-made barriers called denominations.. Why? because I have more in common with a Baptist, a Presbyterian, a Lutheran, or a Roman Catholic who really knows Jesus than I do with a lot of people who just sit in a pew...

So, Elder Soandso and those people who think they witnessed something can come and ring my doorbell, but if and when they do, they can try to talk about whatever it is they are selling that day but we will talk about the Name that is above every name, and they can try to talk about believing the Bible as far as it is rightly translated, but I will talk about the One who wrote the Book, and they can try to tell me that God is an exalted man like me because the Bible talks about the finger of God and the eye of God and the hand... (you get the picture..) but then I will just have to mention that by that logic God could also be a great big chicken because the Bible also says He will cover us with His wings...

So, Godzilla, right on... The only Name we need know is not the one on the sign out front of whatever building is is we worship in, it is the only Name under heaven given among men where by we must be saved. Jesus is all sufficient..

91 posted on 07/27/2008 8:42:37 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: SENTINEL

I am so thankful you are out! I had a brother in law in for 21 years and he’s out too!


92 posted on 07/27/2008 8:44:48 PM PDT by greccogirl
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To: NoCmpromiz

I will just have to mention that by that logic God could also be a great big chicken because the Bible also says He will cover us with His wings...
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LOL

Have to remember that one...


93 posted on 07/27/2008 9:01:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: NoCmpromiz

Amen.


94 posted on 07/27/2008 9:05:59 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Zakeet
It is this one that is the bottom line: That he was greater than Jesus.

Great summary.

95 posted on 07/27/2008 9:17:57 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

Great post! And that festival looks like a huge joy in the spirit.


96 posted on 07/27/2008 9:19:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
And that festival looks like a huge joy in the spirit.

It is an indescribable experience. Of course, it helps if you like contemporary Christian music, enjoy the outdoors, can take a little heat from the sun and some rain now and then. And if you can't stand (put a denomination name here), God will make sure the group camped next to you is from the First (U Name It) Church of Where-ever... :-)

I have gone enough years now that the memories tend to run together, and the people that attend with us have changed over the years, but every once in a while someone tells you what the experience has meant in their life... Like one guy who was a High School Senior the time he attended, then went to Bible college, and spent some time up in Toronto area doing inner city ministry. He invited me up for a weekend about seven years later and during that weekend he gave his testimony and said "I was struggling with my faith until one summer this really weird guy invited me to the Creation Festival, and that changed my life and walk with the Lord.."

Oh, and Tennessee isn't all that far from the site in PA... come join us some year ;-)

Seriously, would love to have other people join with us. Freepmail for further info..

97 posted on 07/27/2008 9:54:51 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

I just might do that in ‘09! And I have a little moho to travel in.


98 posted on 07/27/2008 9:56:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: ejonesie22
***There is no “benefit of the doubt” because there is noting to doubt, we share the same message of God's Grace and the blessing of our various denominations authorities, not exactly the sign of warring factions... ***

Not hardly.

Christians believe Christ died for our sins. Mormons teach that man does all he can, and Christ makes up for any shortcomings.

Plus, to the Mormon mind, we are not saves, we are Gentiles.

Hardly the same viewing of God's grace.

99 posted on 07/27/2008 11:24:50 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Zakeet

Other than that he was a great guy. < /sarc>


100 posted on 07/27/2008 11:26:58 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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