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Joseph Smith's First Vision: Fact or Fiction?
MRM ^ | Wesley Walters

Posted on 07/24/2008 12:37:23 PM PDT by Gamecock

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Offered as a companion to First Vision accounts (of Joseph Smith)
1 posted on 07/24/2008 12:37:24 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Penetrating expose (by a former Mormon charismatic) here: http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/mormonism.htm


2 posted on 07/24/2008 12:41:50 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Gamecock
Fiction.

Next question.

3 posted on 07/24/2008 12:44:01 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Gamecock
Let me make three wild and totally crazy predictions regarding this issue:

1) Those who think the Mormon Church is a bunch of bunk will continue to think so and nothing is going to change their minds.

2) Those who think the Mormon Church is true and follow its teachings will continue to think so and nothing is going to change their minds.

3) People on both sides of the issue will continue to post articles, argue and debate in a futile effort to change the minds of those on the other side.

OK - Let the “flaming” begin -—

4 posted on 07/24/2008 1:03:03 PM PDT by POWG
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To: POWG

4) At least one Mormon will see the light.

It’s happened with other groups here on FR


5 posted on 07/24/2008 1:05:58 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock

A friend of mine left the LDS church after 20 years just a couple of months ago after she read material she had not been exposed to for the first 20 years. It does happen. She had converted from Catholicism in her late teens.


6 posted on 07/24/2008 1:35:05 PM PDT by Andyman (The truth shall make you freep.)
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To: POWG

So everyone should be quiet and not waste their time?


7 posted on 07/24/2008 1:42:49 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: POWG
I came to Christ through Free Republic last year during the "romney debates". I was determined to defend my lifelong church against what I just knew were lies. My target was a post filled with referenced quotes by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young claiming to be from the LDS church published "History of the Church" and Journal of Discourses". I went and searched and found them accurate quotes, and was stunned. The entire foundation of the church absolutely crumbled in a matter of hours as I kept reading.

This quote had a special impact on me as it destroyed the false belief ingrained in me of the "Humble Prophet" Joseph Smith.....

"Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)

8 posted on 07/24/2008 2:19:19 PM PDT by SENTINEL (By their works shall ye know them.....)
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To: SENTINEL
...And BTW, the "False Swearers" Smith is addressing are several men who had found out that Smith had "married" and bedding their wives in secret, under the supposed command of an angel with a burning sword, and had made it known.

In later years, Smith admitted to practicing polygamy during this timeframe and that he had married the women because his "new and everlasting" covenant had done away with all existing civil marriages.

9 posted on 07/24/2008 2:23:46 PM PDT by SENTINEL (By their works shall ye know them.....)
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To: Gamecock

There is no testimony in existence dated within the 50 year period, “1820 to 1870,” claiming the personages in the Vision of 1820 were God the Father, and his Son, Jesus Christ...This story came later as the leaders of the church became bolder.


10 posted on 07/24/2008 2:29:14 PM PDT by SENTINEL (By their works shall ye know them.....)
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To: Gamecock

Those with callused finger tips from pressing the “abuse” button will be along shortly.


11 posted on 07/24/2008 2:45:47 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Gamecock

Why, oh why, couldn’t Joseph Smith have stayed with seer seeking buried treasure? Oh, wait, he couldn’t find any, no matter how long he into the crystal lying in his white stove pipe hat and investors were getting a little antsy.


12 posted on 07/24/2008 2:55:21 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; restornu
Those with callused finger tips from pressing the “abuse” button will be along shortly.

I'm amazed Restornu has any fingers left.

13 posted on 07/24/2008 3:10:40 PM PDT by xJones
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To: xJones

I’m amazed Restornu has any fingers left.

I must bother you!


14 posted on 07/24/2008 3:33:23 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

Seeing as how we take almost 300,000 a year from their ranks...


15 posted on 07/24/2008 3:40:02 PM PDT by Stourme
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To: restornu
I must bother you!

No, you don't really bother me! It is a choice that you have made for now. But don't let any one tell you that you MUST bother me!

Be yourself; FREE RESTORNU!!

16 posted on 07/24/2008 3:59:33 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Stourme; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; ...
Seeing as how we take almost 300,000 a year from their ranks...

Source? Link? Factual info on comparison of converts to resignations? Taken from WHAT countries? (Hint: I doubt that Africa is primarily Christian).

17 posted on 07/24/2008 4:01:04 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Eighteen new "I love Romney" threads in the past week,.and counting! Flacking for VP or love-god?)
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To: greyfoxx39; xJones

Millstones and seas come to mind ... Free Restornu!


18 posted on 07/24/2008 4:09:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Gamecock

Fiction. Next question....

19 posted on 07/24/2008 4:37:32 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Gamecock
Many more problems in Joseph Smith's First Vision can be found ...

Evolution of the First Vision and
Teaching on God in Early Mormonism

By Sandra Tanner

Note: Links at the bottom of the page take you to other articles listing dozens more issues with Joseph's vision.

20 posted on 07/24/2008 4:48:14 PM PDT by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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