Posted on 07/17/2008 4:35:12 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
THE "LOST" TEN TRIBES
In a recent discussion of the subject, by P. Asmussim, in a German periodical, the writer shows that the ten tribes never were "lost." Both in the Books of Kings and in the Assyrian inscriptions we have records of the deportations of the inhabitants of the Northern Kingdom, and in leading particulars the accounts agree.
In 734 Tiglath-Pileser led into captivity the people of Gilead and of Galilee, and the districts of Issachar, Zebulon, Asher, Naphtali, Northern Dan, Eastern Manasseh and Gad were incorporated into the Assyrian monarchy. The last king of Israel accordingly ruled over nothing but what was afterwards called Samaria, i.e. the territory of Ephraim, West Manasseh, and the remnants of Benjamin. (Benjamin had not been joined to Judah, as is generally supposed; but Judah had extended her boundaries in the north at the expense of Benjamin as early as the reigns of David and Solomon. The district of Reuben had disappeared during the time of the Kings.)
From this limited territory, Sargon, in 722, according to his own report, led into captivity 27,280 persons, and later on until 711 some few more. In both deportations from all ten tribes the entire number of captives could not have numbered more than 50,000, including women and children.
The system of deportation then practiced by the despots never sent the entire population of a land into exile, and only those influential families who might stir up rebellion against the conqueror, and the artisans who made weapons. These captives formed a small minority in the communities where they settled, and being not very zealous Jews, religiously, they underwent a religious and social amalgamation with the foreign people. (It was different with Babylonian exiles of a century and a half later; they were zealous Jehovists, and were promised a return, so that they adhered to Judaism, lived together in Babylon, the prophetic activity continued, and some of them later returned to Jerusalem as a congregation.)
Those who were deported from the Northern kingdom were an insignificant number compared with the masses that remained, perhaps one-tenth. They were not tribes or large parts of tribes, but only individuals, or at most families. These persons were "lost" to be sure, but the tribes as such remained in Canaan, and absorbed the heathen settlers that were sent in. In later times the division into tribes signified little or nothing, the division into tribal territory was not regarded. In general, the Jew of the New Testament era knew as little from what tribe he came as does the modern Jew. Among modern Jews all these tribes, without any doubt, are their descendents. In other words, the "lost" tribes never have been and are not now "lost."
[Note: All Twelve Tribes were represented in Jerusalem at Pentecost in Acts chapter 2.]
No...you're simply mistaken. God intended for the Israelites to cover the Earth [Amos 9:9]. Any tradition that would limit their location to such a small area is non-Christian.
Simeon WAS assimilated into Judah look at the map of Israel I posted above. Read the scripture, read WHERE Simeon's territory was. They were NOT in the north. Do you doubt scripture that says Simeon's territory was in Judah's?
There is nothing wrong with your map.....except it's about 700 years too early. Simeon WAS given land (1450 B.C.) within Judah [Joshua 19:9] but......When God caused the King of Assyria (721 B.C.) to take ALL Israel except Judah, [II Kings 17:18] after separating the ten tribes from Rehoboam to Jeroboam, Solomon's son [I Kings 11:31].....this event included the tribe of Simeon. You simply cannot dispute this scripture. It says what it says!
Scripture is not in error -- your misinterpretation is the error regarding Reuben merging into the similar culture of the Moabites. It states that ONE person was carried away, not an entire tribe.
Now for the benefit of those who may not....or are inclined not....to read everything up thread, I will recap.
My worthy adversary has said (post #35) that Reuben had been absorbed into the Moab/Edom culture and was a non entity at the time of exile (721 B.C.). He reiterated in post #42 that Reuben had been diluted into other cultures and was never heard from again after the first few kings post David and Solomon (900 B.C.)....and he repeated this same assertion in post #50.
In post #57 he is still claiming this absurdity after being shown scripture refuting his theory! Then is post #90, after being given more scriptural proof, he again makes the same silly assertion: "Reuben had been dissolved as a culture and this "Prince of the Reubenites", Beerah, was the only one taken to Assyria.
Well folks.....this is what the Good Book says about that! [1 Chronicles 5:6] Beerah his son, whom Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria carried away captive: he was prince of the Reubenites. Now please follow this logic: If Beerah was a prince of Reuben it would seem that he was a very old prince.....maybe 200 years or so? We have been told (by Cronos) that the tribe of Reuben had never been heard from again after the first few Kings....or so....because they were absorbed into Moab. We have not been given any scripture stating this. We are instructed to look at a map that shows Reuben abutting Moab and simply told that Reuben was no more! They were now Moabites!
[I Chronicles 5:26] And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day.
Dear friends....the Assyrians began carrying away the ten tribes (Simeon and Reuben included) about 725/735 B.C. and began in earnest about 721 B.C. Scripture explicitly says that the tribe of Reuben was among them! Many Israelites of the north had moved to the south (Judah) between the separation of the two kingdoms (931 B.C.) and the time of the Assyrian deportation (721 B.C.). You will find that here: [2 Chronicles 11:13-17] And the priests and the Levites that were in all Israel resorted to him out of all their coasts. For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession, and came to Judah and Jerusalem: for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest's office unto the LORD: And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made. And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers. So they strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and made Rehoboam the son of Solomon strong, three years: for three years they walked in the way of David and Solomon. These folks became citizens of Judah and became known as Jews. The folks who stayed in the north maintained the appellation of Israelite and were all carried away in captivity to Assyria in the early 700's B.C.
Now....if you really want to carry on with these silly claims....be my guest. You'll do it on your own.
If you believe that the northern Israelites after being moved by the Assyrians somehow became Cimmerians and Celts and moved to England, then yes, you would be a British Israelite.
I don't believe I have made this claim. The reason I don't believe I have done so is because I don't believe it!
quite right
Yup, Romans, written by Paul, descendent of Benjamin that merged with Judah like Simeon. He’s talking about the Jewish people who now included refugees from the northern tribes. Indo-Europeans were folks like the Hittites — you remember those from the old testament? Well, those were Aryanic people. They existed from before the Israelites reached Canaan — hence they or their relatives the Celts, Latins, Greeks, Germanics, Slavs, Indians, Persians, Tocharians, Armenians etc. could not have been Semites.
I am simply amazed at what you don't seem to understand about what I am saying! Where have I ever made the claim that only white Aryan people can be Christians?
Abraham was given promises by God for his faithfulness. One of those promises was here: [Genesis 15:5] And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. Has this promise been fulfilled by the Jews....or the Arabs?
Another...here: [Genesis 17:3-4] And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Has this been fulfilled by them also?
And: [Genesis 22:17-18] That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Have these blessings flown from Mecca....or Jerusalem?
The Israelites were taken captive 125 years before the Jews were exiled to Babylon. The Jews came back [Ezra & Nehemiah]....the Israelites did not. They were never lost. They just weren't around anymore. History lost track of them after Josephus told us where they were. I would imagine that by now most cultures of the world probably have some Israelite blood....just like the Lord had told Abraham.
In what way are these views racist to you? [Psalm 114:2]
I ask you the same question again: Do you believe then that African Americans, people from Ethiopia, Kenya, the Congo etc. are Israelites? you assert that the Israelites spread to all nations of the world, so then, Do you believe then that African Americans, people from Ethiopia, Kenya, the Congo etc. are also descendents of the Israelites?
Many of them are..... with bloodlines down through King Solomon.....and others.
Those that do not have Solomon's bloodlines may yet still be of Israel....if they are Christian. [Ephesians 2:12-13] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
They have the bloodline of Our Lord.
Other folks throughout the world....regardless of racial characteristics or color may also have Israelite blood in their veins as prophecy tells us that the Israelites were to populate the Earth [Amos 9:9]......and they have been at it for about 2500 years (scattered). This is without respect of religious beliefs.
Now.....I ask you again. What have I written that would be construed as a racial superior attitude....or outlook according to you?
Ok, one more question before I answer yours (re: what could you have written re: racial ...) —> what about people who could not have Israelite genetics (like the remote amazonian tribes, Andamanese, Papua New Guineans) — these have not interacged with outsiders in millenia, so they could not have Israelite blood. How do these fall into God’s plan according to you?
Sure....it's probable that many folks (remote tribes) do not yet have Israelite blood.....or Our Messiah's sacrificial covering as well. This is through no fault of their own and many missionaries throughout history have attempted to rectify this situation.
Not to worry.....Our Lord has a plan to include everyone (upon their own personal acceptance). He will not condemn these folks to eternal separation because some missionary had a flat tire and could not make it in time to some old "Jivaro's" deathbed. [1 Timothy 2:1-4] I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Thank you for answering that question, I then apologize as I misunderstood both of you to be some kind of folks promoting a caste system (descended genetically from Abraham and those not). That philosophy is something I abhore, as I’ve said earlier as it negates Christ’s sacrifice.
Accepted.....my FRiend.
Have you studied about the lost 10 tribes? I was going to ask you about this, after reading your fallen angels post. I decided to type in “lost ten tribes” on the Freeper search engine and see that you are one of the first replies on this subject from John Leland’s post!
I really believe that the United States and U.K. — the Anglo Saxons— are part of the lost 10 tribes of Israel!
British Israel is one of those things I still have on the shelf, waiting to see what God confirms or disconfirms.
I do tend to believe that Danes are from the tribe of Dan, however.
Thx.
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