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Telling Lies To Anglo-Catholics
Stand Firm in Faith ^ | 7/12/08 | posted by Jackie Bruchi

Posted on 07/14/2008 5:07:05 AM PDT by Huber

Roman Catholic liberals and their Anglican allies are directing a campaign of propaganda at Anglo-Catholics, telling them that "Rome" does not want them to convert en masse following the vote for women bishops. This is a lie.

According to Ruth Gledhill, "an extremely well-connected Roman Catholic friend" reckons that former Anglicans are "the last thing we need" and that the Vatican will not upset liberal Catholic parishes or its relations with Rowan Williams by making special arrangements for them. Alas, Ruth seems to have been taken in by this untruth.

In fact, her friend - whom I do not doubt for a moment is part of the liberal mafia of the Bishops' Conference - has told her a series of lies. For example, that "the Pope does not deal with sub-groups". Nonsense. It was Joseph Ratzinger who, ignoring ecumenical niceties, sent a message of support to conservative American Anglicans meeting in Dallas in 1993. He knows very well that there are only sub-groups in Anglicanism these days.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: anglican; anglicans; anglocatholic; convert; europeanchristians; womenbishops
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1 posted on 07/14/2008 5:07:05 AM PDT by Huber
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To: Huber
According to Ruth Gledhill, "an extremely well-connected Roman Catholic friend" reckons that former Anglicans are "the last thing we need" and that the Vatican will not upset liberal Catholic parishes or its relations with Rowan Williams by making special arrangements for them.

Then how about a trade? The Catholics will take the traditional Anglicans and the Episcopalians can have the liberal Catholics.

2 posted on 07/14/2008 5:10:04 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Sounds good to me!


3 posted on 07/14/2008 5:10:54 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Huber

I don’t know who Ruth Gledhill is, but she seems to think that any putz with a Council of Bishops business card can make decisions for the Catholic Church. Sort of like the people who believe that any Marxist with a tenured theology chair can make doctrine. A very non-Catholic mindset, I must say.


4 posted on 07/14/2008 5:21:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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To: wagglebee

Somebody should design a fancy “Membership Certificate.”

“Congratulations, you are now a member of the Liberal Episcopal Church.”

It could be signed by Vicki Robinson. Then we could hand them to liberal Catholics.


5 posted on 07/14/2008 5:22:16 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

Yep, we can let them know that all of their “issues” about female priests, married priests, etc. have been resolved and then give them mapquest directions to their new church.


6 posted on 07/14/2008 5:29:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Tax-chick; ahadams2; sc70; Churchillspirit; jpr_fire2gold; Tennessee Nana; QBFimi; Tailback; ...
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7 posted on 07/14/2008 5:31:28 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: wagglebee

How about our issues about liberation theology, Catholic communion to open apostates (such as, you know Teddy K) and trivial liturgical music?

Got them all sorted out do you?


8 posted on 07/14/2008 6:22:41 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (what part of 'mias gunaikos andra' do Episcopalians not understand?)
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To: BelegStrongbow
How about our issues about liberation theology, Catholic communion to open apostates (such as, you know Teddy K) and trivial liturgical music?

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.

I WANT the Catholic Church to end the apostasy that is going on and if that necessitates excommunicating some, then so be it.

And please understand that despite my sarcasm, I am heartbroken over the evil my Anglican brothers and sisters are currently presented with.

9 posted on 07/14/2008 6:41:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BelegStrongbow
How about our issues about liberation theology, Catholic communion to open apostates (such as, you know Teddy K) and trivial liturgical music?

The liberation theology was clamped down upon by Pope John Paul II fairly well (it was motre rampant and common in the early 80's). The disciplining of Leonardo Boff was important there.

As far as the other stuff, there is no question that the Catholic Church has had some bad people in important places, and that "the smoke of Satan has entered the Church" (Paul VI), but these problems are getting addressed, and there has not been the formal recognition or acceptance of many of the abuses that have permeated the western church.

Pope Benedict XVI, of course, has been encouraging the expansion and proliferation of the traditional way of celebrating the Mass and Sacraments. That can only help.
10 posted on 07/14/2008 6:47:11 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Huber

This whole situation is very sad..


11 posted on 07/14/2008 7:35:43 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: BelegStrongbow

they really need to do something about the liturgical music in some dioceses. The Archdiocese of Washington DC has some pretty appalling music.

Luckily my Church, although not traditional to the point of using only Gregorian chants, generally keeps the music to just piano and traditional hymns. I really liked it when we had some singers come in and do a beautiful rendition of the “Kyrie Eleison”

The modern music used at some Masses just does not fit Catholic liturgical service.


12 posted on 07/14/2008 8:25:12 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Tax-chick

Ruth Gledhill is a journalist covering religious issues with The Times (of London). She’s been at it a long time, and has been covering the breakup of the Anglican Communion pretty thoroughly for a good while now. Her father was an Anglican Vicar in a small English village.

No, she’s not very (Roman) Catholic.


13 posted on 07/14/2008 12:35:23 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

Thanks. My sister-in-law is the daughter of an Anglican Vicar in a small English village, too.


14 posted on 07/14/2008 1:34:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Unfortunately for us Anglicans, when Paul6 and JP2 put the breaks on Vatican 2 and clamped down on liberation theology, a bunch of disaffected liberal Catholics swam the Channel (or the East River) to infect western Anglicanism.

(sarcasm) Thanks! (sarcasm off)


15 posted on 07/14/2008 1:37:10 PM PDT by bobjam
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To: wagglebee

I am also heartbroken, my brother.

I am sorry I spoke out in harshness and ask your forgiveness. I ask you look with sorrow on the shipwreck that has overtaken my communion. There are those of us who have remained faithful to the faith Catholic even as we have walked along a separate Apostolic path. In these dark days, there is little cause to reproach each other.

Peace.


16 posted on 07/14/2008 5:40:15 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (what part of 'mias gunaikos andra' do Episcopalians not understand?)
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To: Huber
A lot of the liberal Catholics don't want them, because they are to conservative. The ultra trads don't want them, because they are not conservative enough
17 posted on 07/14/2008 7:14:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
The ultra trads don't want them, because they are not conservative enough.

I'm not so sure about the last statement. Most of the Anglo-Catholics that I know are about as conservative as anyone.

18 posted on 07/15/2008 4:59:05 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: BelegStrongbow; Huber

Thank you for your kind words and as I was never upset, there is nothing to forgive.

There is no doubt in my mind that Satan is actively seeking to destroy Christianity and I am afraid that he is succeeding.

It makes perfect sense that the initial target of his assault would be the Anglican Communion. Anglicanism is so very similar to the Catholic Church that you were the perfect target for a “test run”. I believe that the Catholic Church is the main target for the simple fact of it’s size and worldwide influence.

There are a great many Evangelicals who hate the Catholic Church (they also hate traditional Anglicans once the realize your similar beliefs) and their hatred makes them cheer any hint of scandal that befalls Catholicism. What they don’t seem to recognize is that if the Catholic Church is defeated, they (be they Calvinists, Baptists, Pentecostals or whatever else) will be destroyed instantly.

I welcome any Anglicans who want to come into communion with the Catholic Church and I also think that Anglicans would also be very well served by Archbishop Peter Akinola of Nigeria (who I consider one of the half dozen or so greatest Christian leaders alive today).

God Bless


19 posted on 07/15/2008 8:17:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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