Posted on 07/11/2008 6:06:59 AM PDT by Quix
Thanks for your kind words.
The 4 year old’s visit to Heaven videos on YouTube are worth your time, I think.
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Indeed. Thank you for the reminder!
Most welcome.
I think it’s exceedingly fascinating that the 7 year old 3 years later is still getting Heavenly visits routinely.
The bit about her not ‘liking’ to look up when she just wants to play and be normal . . . because every time she looks up, virtually, I gather, she’s IN HEAVEN.
What a trip.
Is it Ok to covet such gifts? Not that I’d want her’s just like hers! LOL.
strongly agree.
thx.
Scripture (and virtually all traditional languages) routinely refers to men AND women using the masculine plural. "Brothers" in New Testament Greek almost always implicitly includes sisters. I can't vouch for these visions, however, there is all kinds of biblical precedence for using a masculine article when including women.
Only from our hyper-sensitive, feminist-twisted (and historically very unusual) society do we feel the need to say "brothers AND sisters" when including both.
Of course this new custom is from the same crowd which brought us abortion...
From one perspective I place very little stock in out of body, near death experiences.
However
I have had enough patients share some interesting stories....
I have decided there just may be something to them, but I don’t waste too much time on them because there isn’t anything in Scripture one way or the other.....
Best regards my FRiend
I think a minority of them seem to be contaminated with New Age deception stuff. But I have observed that to be a very small minority of them.
I have found the vast majority of them to be quite Biblical AND EXCEEDINGLY EDIFYING, ENCOURAGING AND CONTRIBUTIVE TO A CLOSER WALK WITH GOD in my life and in the life of my clients.
Certainly the individuals involved end up with an enormously closer walk with God. That alone is quite confirming, imho.
I hasten to add . . . they don’t always fit
PRECONCIEVED, BIASED, NARROW, RIGID NOTIONS INTERPRETING every detail of Scripture.
But the Pharisees had it all memorized and still didn’t have a clue about Scripture. So such things don’t bother me.
In this particular case, I’m sure there’ll be a hew and cry if such listen to both interviews.
The interviewer asks the Grandma what is going to become of the granddaughter. This is so extra-ordinary—God must have some special plan in store for her. And the Grandmother calmly replies that the 7 year old grandaughter knows she is going to be a woman preacher/pastor but that she knows she’s not ready yet.
I have no problem with that. The Scripture about no male nor female/ Jew nor Greek etc. covers that sufficiently for me as doe the female prophetesses in the NT.
But I’m sure a lot will have that stick in their craw because of Paul’s one statement about women—evidently not interrupting service to yell to their hubbys to explain what the speaker meant.
Anyway—
my 2 cents.
Thanks for your kind reply.
You are indeed correct.
HOwever, there’s no end of nit-picking with such things as there was no end of the Pharisees’ nit-picking at Jesus trying to bring whatever blood they could.
I rejoice in such revelations as long as they are Biblical.
I must admit I am very skeptical about such revelations. Why? Primarily because I firmly believe Holy Scripture is adequate—and we need no new revelation. Jesus answer to the rich man and Lazarus is instructive:
“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “ (Luke 16:31) (I think we could safely add to that ‘or the witness of the New Testament’)
If these are valid revelations, then...they are 100% valid and should be added to scripture. However, if you profess, as most charismatic Christians do, that nothing should be added to scripture...then doesn’t that mean they are imperfect, and hence FAKE revelations?
I mean it’s either a revelation from God, or its not....there’s nothing in-between. If from God, well, print this and staple it into your bible. I pray though, no one will do that.
Honestly from what I’ve read here, and on the website about Hell, it sounds like a modern version of Dante—and a product of human imagination, not divine revelation.
Sorry, but I’ve found that perspective to be thoroughly inaccurate.
Scripture declares quite plainly that in the END TIMES all kinds of folks will see visions, have dreams etc.
I find the Scripture you used to be extremely tangential to the issue and only remotely applicable by a very big shoehorn.
I would like to sound charitable and patient with such a perspective.
As the END TIMES RUSH FORWARD with greater urgency and drama, I less and less have the luxury of such a patient attitude at some point.
Folks who have a death grip on such a perspective will at best miss God countless times in the coming dramas . . . and at worse, die prematurely if not lose out on their salvation because of dogged stubborn rebellion against what God is doing.
Just how I see it. Increasingly fiercely.
However, I appreciate your kind msg.
***Certainly the individuals involved end up with an enormously closer walk with God.***
I spoke to a patient who had two experiences.
At the time of the first she related experiencing the typical light/warmth/peace that seems to be the stereotypical story.
At the time of the second she was a Mormon and reported great pain and fire and despair.
Draw your own conclusions.
0.000000000000%
explanation for
1. HOw did she know about the aborted uncle that she met in Heaven when no one of her era knew about that happening AT ALL. And only the Grandmother's deceased mother had known besides the grandmother.
2. How did the 4 year old know a number of other things--such as a young boy who had also been killed--the father had killed him with rifle shots to the face--the 4 year old, of course, had not been told about it, at all. But in Heaven she met the boy.
How do you explain either case? . . . even to yourself?
Sorry, but I have a burning in my spirit about such things. folks who are married to a narrow, rigid, unGODLY interpretation of every detail of Scripture similar to the perspectives of the RELIGIOUS leaders 2000 ears ago are increasingly setting themselves up for a world of hurt.
AND THAT INCLUDES PENTECOSTALS.
IN A LOT OF RESPECTS AND AT SOME POINT, GOD DOESN'T GIVE A FLIP ABOUT WHAT WE THINK !!!!HE!!!! MEANT IN SCRIPTURE.
Roland Buck, now deceased--his
ANGELS ON ASSIGNMENT is available free online here:
LINK HERE: http://www.angelsonassignment.org/
He was long term Senior Pastor of FIRST ASSEMBLY OF GOD in Boise Idaho. HIs brother, whom I knew was long term senior pastor of FIRST ASSEMBLY in Spokane. They were both rock solid Believers from the Buck Knife family.
When he was in Heaven visiting with The Father, he was told 120 things that would come to pass.
When he returned in his body to his desk, he was startled to discover he was holding a vellum like sheet in beautiful handwritten script listing those 120 items.
Anyway--in Heaven, God told him at least a few things that jangled Roland's perspective on Scripture. God didn't care a bit about jangling Roland's Biblical sensibilities.
WE MUST learn to hear our Lord's voice as HE DECLARED: MY SHEEP KNOW MY VOICE. If we aren't hearing and obeying HIS VOICE, we aren't walking as we ought. And in the coming days, it will be extremely hazardous.
I understand it can be challenging, even frightful about getting it right. That's what a lot of fiery furnaces etc. are for--training to get that right. His Still Small Voice is His preferred mode. If He has to yell, something's been wrong for some time.
It is a DELUSION FROM HELL that Scripture alone--without listening to Holy Spirit, Christ's Voice is sufficient for our walk with God. The Pharisees had Scripture memorized and were still children of satan.
Satan's purpose in convincing Believers that Scripture alone is sufficient is to immobilize them in the midst of a crisis or dramatic, traumatic situation when a split-second decision needs to be made--a Godly, Holy Spirit led decision. One will not have time to pray through a handful of possible applicable Scriptures.
Small wonder given the source of LDS documents.
The business of adding it to Canon is nonsense.
There’s New Testament evidence of other writings of Paul et al that did not get Canonized.
Scripture is sufficient for introducing us to God and setting us on a good road to an Eternal RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
Scripture has nothing to say about a Mercedes over a Hummer or a Chevy over a Ford or Mary over Judith.
As Scripture itself says—were everything CHRIST ALONE SAID in HIS EARTHLY WALK, the world could not contain so many books. Given what He’s said SINCE to many millions of folks with the GOOD SENSE TO LISTEN TO HIS VOICE AS HE INSTRUCTED, we’d certainly be running out of library shelves.
Satan's purpose in convincing Believers that Scripture alone is sufficient is to immobilize them in the midst of a crisis or dramatic, traumatic situation when a split-second decision needs to be made—a Godly, Holy Spirit led decision. One will not have time to pray through a handful of possible applicable Scriptures.
Whoa!
Ever heard of the Trinity?
Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
John.1:14
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God is the Word made into flesh through Christ.
God cannot lie.
The Word made flesh is God's Word.
Tit.1:2
[2] In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
I don't know who your god is but it is not the Judeo Christian God.
The Bible does NOT contradict itself as MAN DOES CONSTANTLY. To throw away God's Word in favor of MAN'S word is borderline blasphemy. You do the work of Satan without thinking twice about it - turning folks away from TRUTH, the Bible, God's Word. 2Tim.3:16 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: You might want to ask yourself why YOU REJECT HIS WORD and foavor man's word. That is the more interesting question.
Any assumptions about me diminishing The Word/Living Word Christ Jesus in any way
are wrong.
A great misunderstanding.
THE WORD is what tells us we must listen to Christ’s Voice/Holy Spirit.
No way shape or form do I encourage or eve condone or tolerate folks turning away from
SCRIPTURE AT ALL.
I have it playing in my home on the CD player almost 24/7.
I don’t know of anyone who gives Scripture a more fittingly higher, loftier place in their personal lives than I do.
Any allegation otherwise is wholesale and outrageously wrong.
No way shape or form do I encourage or eve condone or tolerate folks turning away from
SCRIPTURE AT ALL.
I have it playing in my home on the CD player almost 24/7.
I don’t know of anyone who gives Scripture a more fittingly higher, loftier place in their personal lives than I do.
Any allegation otherwise is wholesale and outrageously wrong.
Then did I misuderstand you? Confused ... .
YES!
YOU WHOLESALE MISUNDERSTOOD ME.
Not sure where I wasn’t clear.
Scripture is our structure, our food our foundation . . . our breath our life.
SCRIPTURE CAME ABOUT HOW????
BY HOLY SPIRIT—OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS.
CHRIST SENT
HOLY SPIRIT TO
LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH—ABOUT SCRIPTURE AND ABOUT WHAT GOD WANTS US TO DO DAY BY DAY, MOMENT BY MOMENT.
Scripture does NOT cover that Joe Jeshoaphat is to marry Jenny JUMP-N-PRAISE in 2009 at 13:00 on the 2nd Saturday afternoon in June. Holy Spirit works that out as folks submit to Jesus and seek to hear His Voice as SCRIPTURE instructs.
is that any clearer?
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