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To: Fichori

***The Catholic Church has printed, signed, and certified its own certificate of authenticity.***

You bet. It’s called the Bible.

***It has only its own word that it is the true church.***

Look inside its certificate of authority for those words.

***Jesus said, follow me, not, follow my church.***

1 Tim 3:
14
6 I am writing you about these matters, although I hope to visit you soon.
15
But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

Jesus said to His Apostles, as He gathered them to follow Him. He was there physically. After Jesus Ascended to Heaven, He left His Church. St. Paul knew what He intended.

***

“I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.”
(A quote from St. Augustine. The premiere Doctor of the Church.)

That only shows that Dr Augustine was bowing to the authority of the Catholic Church.

By holding a gun to someones head you can often get them to confess to a belief in just about anything.***

Are you saying that somebody held a gun to the head of the greatest Doctor of the Church and forced him to contribute to the development of Church doctrine and understanding? That’s one of the funniest things I’ve heard here and there have been some hilarious claims. I thank you for this morning’s hilarity.

***Unless there is something that is not only not created by the Catholic Church but also has authority over them, something that certifies them to be the one true church, they are nothing more than religious bullies.***

I’d take that up with Jesus Christ during Judgement; the Church is His - created by Him and commissioned by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. If you spurn it, that’s up to you.


136 posted on 07/14/2008 8:56:47 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg

***The Catholic Church has printed, signed, and certified its own certificate of authenticity.***

You bet. It’s called the Bible.

***It has only its own word that it is the true church.***

Look inside its certificate of authority for those words.

Ok, lets have a look in the good book and see what it says about confirming something:

¶ If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 5:31

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew 3:17

Christ said that if he were to bear witness of himself, his witness would not be true.
The Catholic Church bears witness of itself.

***Jesus said, follow me, not, follow my church.***

1 Tim 3:
14
6 I am writing you about these matters, although I hope to visit you soon.
15
But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

Jesus said to His Apostles, as He gathered them to follow Him. He was there physically. After Jesus Ascended to Heaven, He left His Church. St. Paul knew what He intended.

Was his call of follow me only physical?

I don't think so!

What profit is there for a man who is condemned to hell to walk where Jesus Christ walked?

None!

***Unless there is something that is not only not created by the Catholic Church but also has authority over them, something that certifies them to be the one true church, they are nothing more than religious bullies.***

I’d take that up with Jesus Christ during Judgement; the Church is His - created by Him and commissioned by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. If you spurn it, that’s up to you.

Sorry, thats not going to cut the mustard.

Even Christ while on earth had someone who was greater than himself bear witness of his authenticity.

The Catholic Church does not have that.
137 posted on 07/14/2008 9:53:36 AM PDT by Fichori (Primitive goat herder, Among those who kneel before a man; Standing.)
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