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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg

***The Catholic Church has printed, signed, and certified its own certificate of authenticity.***

You bet. It’s called the Bible.

***It has only its own word that it is the true church.***

Look inside its certificate of authority for those words.

Ok, lets have a look in the good book and see what it says about confirming something:

¶ If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 5:31

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew 3:17

Christ said that if he were to bear witness of himself, his witness would not be true.
The Catholic Church bears witness of itself.

***Jesus said, follow me, not, follow my church.***

1 Tim 3:
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6 I am writing you about these matters, although I hope to visit you soon.
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But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

Jesus said to His Apostles, as He gathered them to follow Him. He was there physically. After Jesus Ascended to Heaven, He left His Church. St. Paul knew what He intended.

Was his call of follow me only physical?

I don't think so!

What profit is there for a man who is condemned to hell to walk where Jesus Christ walked?

None!

***Unless there is something that is not only not created by the Catholic Church but also has authority over them, something that certifies them to be the one true church, they are nothing more than religious bullies.***

I’d take that up with Jesus Christ during Judgement; the Church is His - created by Him and commissioned by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. If you spurn it, that’s up to you.

Sorry, thats not going to cut the mustard.

Even Christ while on earth had someone who was greater than himself bear witness of his authenticity.

The Catholic Church does not have that.
137 posted on 07/14/2008 9:53:36 AM PDT by Fichori (Primitive goat herder, Among those who kneel before a man; Standing.)
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To: Fichori
Amen.

THE AUTHORITY OF SCRIPTURE
by William Webster

"Scripture has authority, as both Roman Catholics and evangelical Protestants will agree, because it is the Word of God. But Scripture is not the Word of God merely because the Church says it is. Scripture's authority is derived from its intrinsic nature as a communication from God to man — it has an authority independent of the Church. In this chapter we want to examine the nature of that authority and the claim that Scripture is inspired by God and thereby trustworthy..."

The RCC has so mangled the Scriptures by adding to them such perverse doctrines as infallible popes and prayers to dead people and the alchemy of transubstantion that it has shown itself to be very far from the church instituted and guided by Jesus Christ.

138 posted on 07/14/2008 10:39:26 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Fichori

***¶ If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 5:31

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew 3:17

Christ said that if he were to bear witness of himself, his witness would not be true.

The Catholic Church bears witness of itself.***

The posts from the non Catholic are getting funnier all the time.

Jesus Christ gives the authority to the Church. If you do not accept the authority of the Church, then logically you cannot accept the Church’s documents, which include the Bible. Address 1 Tim 3 if you would please.

***What profit is there for a man who is condemned to hell to walk where Jesus Christ walked?

None!***

Interesting. I thought that the man who is condemned to hell is sent there immediately. While it is true that Jesus did descend to hell, I don’t think that you are posting this as a reference to walking in hell. Or is it? Could you clear this up please?


142 posted on 07/14/2008 12:43:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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