Violence in Early Mormonism - Was It All Unjust Persecution?

MRM ^ | Bill McKeever

[Old Mountain man]

If you are too illiterate to even read that opinionated “book report” that’s posted, there really is no hope for you.

[ejonesie22]

Pitches, GC, pitches.

He wants your thread closed. Presenting facts, especially with citations, and more over citations of actual LDS documents, is a bad thing, and must be removed from public places...

[greyfoxx39]

From the Salt Lake City Tribune today:

SLC author: Army, Mormon settlers tried to hide Bear River Massacre

 

  "Unlike previous writings on the massacre - a Utah event that happened in what turned out to be Idaho - Miller's book probes the relationships among the three central players: the Shoshones, the military and the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who settled the region.
    And it delves into the way history has treated - or, as some believe, ignored - the massacre.

    Miller agrees, in part, with Brigham Madsen, the retired University of Utah historian whose ground-breaking work 25 years ago first gave credence to Shoshone claims it was a massacre and not a battle.
    Madsen contended the engagement was lost to history because the nation at the time was more interested in Civil War battles than in fights with American Indians in a remote corner of the West. 
    But Miller argues there is a further explanation as to why a massacre of at least 250 Shoshones fell into obscurity.

    It was not in the interest of key players - the military and the Mormons - to remember, and the decimated Northwestern Bands of the Shoshone had no voice in the nation that came to surround them. "

[Gamecock]

***If you are too illiterate to even read that opinionated “book report” that’s posted, there really is no hope for you.***

WOW! A Mormon that just might not be a good neighbor! < tongue-in-cheek>

[Graybeard58]

Whatever you do, don’t “annoy” him.

[ejonesie22]

Best way to avoid that is to not reply to him, or those like him, at all...

[Old Mountain man]

A neighbor that does not accuse his neighbors of violence and imply that he has blood on his hands.

[Gamecock]

Did I say that you, OMm has blood on your hands?

NO!

My comment was based solely on the behavior directed at me.

[Old Mountain man]

ROFLOL!

[Godzilla]

[Old Mountain man]

“He”

What a little coward.

[TheThirdRuffian]

“What are you people going to do if we start posting hit pieces on your churches?”

You mean, like the part of the pre-81 temple ritual where Christian preachers and teaching is mocked as being in the pay of Satan?

[Old Mountain man]

Sorry, but I don’t know what you are talking about. Pre-’81 I was listening to Baptist preachers howling and whining and demanding money in the Baptist Church. So I didn’t join the Church until 1994. And it is my experience that most of the so-called preachers are self-mocking.

[fproy2222]

To be sure, the average Mormon has no idea that both sides had their share of abuses in human rights. To many Latter-day Saints, their forebears were simply innocent victims.

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I guess that the very large group of LDS living around here are not part of the average.

This author has some good facts, and some bad conclusions.

[Enosh]

“... little coward.”

FYI, this is very funny. Just watch our resident grump slink off to his mountain the moment SkyPilot offers the slightest hint of theological debate.

[Old Mountain man]

Oh, Lordy, he mentioned the SkyPilot. Oh, I’m so afraid.

Is he gonna do some creative editing to make a point? Shoot, I can do that too!

[fproy2222]

I have to wonder why a faith needs a military, why they partake of “military operations” if they are not intending to take over another's land,

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I would have to look it up to find which settlements this is true for, The town militia was state sponsored with the town leaders at its head, like the many other towns around.

Since as the author said, the LDS gathered together, that made the town militia made up of the citizens of the town.

[fproy2222]

However, such a description of Joseph Smith's final moments is hardly close to the truth

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you will notice that the author took two different happenings and tried to make them one.

Works good on those who have not studied the subject.

[ejonesie22]

It was adorable, wasn’t it...

[fproy2222]

In his book, The 1838 Mormon War in Missouri, historian Stephen C. LeSueur notes that “non-Mormon land speculators could not hope to compete with the Mormons, who were purchasing large tracts of land with Church funds,” and that the huge immigration of Mormons to the area also “threatened to displace older towns as the political and commercial centers for their counties” (p.3).

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I read here a while back that there was something about the time to pay for the developed land had come about and was to be paid by the settlers, at the price the land was worth before being developed. Some sort of delayed payment to give the settlers time to make the money necessary to buy the land.

Sinse the LDS, who developed the land, were no longer there, the new owners were able to buy the land at the price the original owners would have payed.

Many of the new owners were the leaders of the community that drove the LDS out, leaving a question about the timing.

Do you remember seeing the article and where it was?