Posted on 06/27/2008 6:20:28 AM PDT by NYer
At least one Church of England bishop will defect to Rome soon after the Lambeth Conference, I gather from Anglo-Catholic sources. And there could be more to follow.
I can't tell you much more than that at the moment, because the negotiations with Rome are so sensitive - and the Catholic Bishops of England and Wales, who distrust Anglican traditionalists, are quite capable of throwing a spanner in the works.
It's shaming to have to admit that the bishops of my own Church are the chief obstacle to a significant move of Anglo-Catholic clergy and lay people into full communion with the Holy See - but that's the way it was last time, in the early 1990s, and it's still the case today.
Fortunately, Pope Benedict XVI is more open to experiment than Pope John Paul II. He is taking a close interest in the progress of the rebel Traditional Anglican Communion towards reunion - a process which is under the control of the Congregration for the Doctrine of the Faith, not the Vatican's woolly-minded ecumenists.
I can't betray confidences, but my advice is: look at the new church structures, such as Old Rite parishes, that the Pope is already encouraging, and ask yourself how those models might be adapted for the use of former Anglicans.
But I've already said too much...
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...
Ping!
Wow.
Bump for later.
Telling words............**And there could be more to follow.**
Still vanilla, but now with sprinkles on top.
The Anglican Communion has brought this upon themselves and many fine people are seeing their Church destroyed because some bishops have decided to openly embrace sin.
I pray that the Anglican faithful can find a home within the Catholic Church or somehow “reorganize” with some of the fantastic Anglican bishops and priests in Africa.
And the potential benefit of this gossip to the alleged clergy in question, the Catholic Church, the Church of England, and the general public is ... ? Anyone?
I hope you feel good about yourself today, Damian. You’re so *connected*, it just gives me the shivers.
Once again, the Anglo-Catholics are not “Traditionalists”. They only came about in the late 1800’s as a product of the Oxford movement and were and are a bunch of RC Wannabes.
The real “Traditionalists” are the Conservative “Evangelical” Anglicans, those who adhere to the Theology of the English Reformers such as Thomas Cranmer and the 39 Articles of Religion. The Founding Document of the Anglican Church which is totally Protestant in naure.
Ironic, no?
Homecoming Protestants helping to return Catholicism to its traditional roots in the face of opposition from modernist Catholic clergy who've lost the plot.
"Breff, your comment reminds me of a story about a Tory MP, who crossed the floor of the House of Commons, "and in doing so increased the average IQ on both sides".
Noote June 27, 2008 11:30 AM GMT
‘The potential benefit,’ I would think, is encouragement to those who love the Lord.
“The Anglican Communion has brought this upon themselves”
True enough. But then again, schisms are always that way.
“many fine people are seeing their Church destroyed because some bishops have decided to openly embrace sin.”
Indeed. They’ve decided to do something before homosexuality becomes mandatory.
“or somehow “reorganize” with some of the fantastic Anglican bishops and priests in Africa.”
Yes, the savages need to be told what to do before they destroy themselves. The civilized Anglican bishops in Africa are hopeful that they tame the savages that have become the leadership of the CoE. Let’s hope they meet with success.
As a lifelong Catholic I have no qualms about saying that Anglican Archbishop Peter Akinola of Nigeria is one of the half dozen or so greatest Christian leaders alive today. While I believe that Anglicans should return to the Church, I am also certain that they will be in very good hands if they decide to place themselves under the primacy of Archbishop Akinola.
This is sad and disgraceful, but perhaps calling attention to it is a good thing. As usual, of course, we have somebody revealing the "ultra secret, top-top-top-secret" whatever, which certainly doesn't seem like a good idea - but on the other hand, I doubt that the modernist UK Catholic bishops are unaware of it, and perhaps drawing a little attention to them isn't a bad idea.
Cormac Murphy O'Connor is about to retire, also, and his replacement should be announced soon. I doubt that another raving liberal is going to be appointed to that post, so this may give the horrible UK bishops more incentive to act like Catholics.
Why do you take so much pleasure in your persistent endeavor? Has any of these stories reported on even a single new conversion to Christ? Or do you consider that nonCatholics are heathens and only Catholics can be saved?
Although non-Catholics mostly differ, Catholics believe that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus founded. We further believe that the Church is the Body of Christ, and only those who are part of the Body of Christ can be saved. Thus, only those within the Catholic Church can be saved.
Whether others believe it or not isn't the point; it is what we believe.
However.
We do not believe that those who are within the Church all have formal membership in the Church. We believe that there are people who are formally outside the Catholic Church who are, nonetheless, mysteriously connected to the Catholic Church in a way that is possibly salvific.
Nonetheless, our belief is that formal membership in the Catholic Church, the Church given to us by Jesus Himself, the Body of Christ, is the surest path to salvation.
Thus, why would we not rejoice when someone comes into full communion with the Catholic Church, the Body of Christ?
sitetest
Well said!
I am, of course, interested in hearing NYer's own response. I may reply to you later.
“It would have been helpful had you included a link or some other documentation to demonstrate that your assertions are, in fact, official Catholic policy.”
This is common knowledge of any reasonably-catechized Catholic.
If you would like a much, much deeper theological explication, you could read Dominus Iesus, written by the former Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, and approved by the late Pope John Paul II.
Here is a link:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFUNICI.HTM
If you find the previous document a little longish and a bit of rough sledding, there is an article on Wiki on Dominus Iesus that a quick scan seems to suggest gets some of the main points correct, and is very short:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominus_Iesus
You might also read the Catholic Catechism. Here is a link to an on-line copy:
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm
“I am, of course, interested in hearing NYer’s own response.”
Well, of course, NYer can add her own personal thoughts, but if you're looking for the reason why Catholics rejoice when people come into full communion with the Catholic Church, her answer will not be appreciably different from that of any other devout, knowledgeable Catholic.
We desire that all men be saved, and thus, that all come to the fullness of of faith in Christ through His Body, the Catholic Church.
sitetest
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