Posted on 06/19/2008 1:49:45 PM PDT by NYer
I should have stayed on LI. Oh how these pictures bring back fond memories. Seems like only yesterday, too.
Gimme that old time religion!
Yes, we all flinched in anticipation. We wore the same caps and gowns!
The Mass is so beautiful with the Latin, such a sense of the sacred. Its magnificent, Theresa Bissex, 12, said....
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Wow! This kid has more sense than a whole boatload of bishops.
I am with you, NYer, in the happy memories department. I was in 7th grade and Confirmation really made an impact on me. We wore the white gown and the red beanie, too.
I know just how she feels.
I can’t stand the hootenany feel (guitars, etc.) of the Mass in my local parish.
Give me back my Latin.
Give me back the COMPLETE Nicene Creed.
Give me back the mystery and majesty of the Church!
It is cool knowing that the Mass was celebrated this way since forever, said Joseph Marino of Commack.
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I'm torn between tears and happiness that there are young Catholics with this much sense and appreciation for the traditions of our Church.
May God bless them.
Surely that is a HUGE no-no?
Oh now its about half the length. And not nearly the deep expression of faith.
I found a version of the original A.D. 381 in Latin - I’m brushing up for when we say it again.
Does anyone else remember genuflecting in the pews when the words “who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man”?
I do.
And I was in 6th grade. Back then, the bishop came every other year so they combined 6th and 7th grades. Our Confirmation was held in the evening and, due to the large number of confirmandi, admission to church was by ticket only. The church was packed - SRO. With such a large group, the nuns were armed to the teeth with clickers, warning us not to step out of line and to remind us of when to kneel, etc. That night is burned into my memory banks especially the point in his homily when the bishop called us "Soldiers of Christ". And that is how I still view myself.
We wore the white gown and the red beanie, too.
With the small white pom pom on top :-)
EPISCOPALIANS did that, for heaven's sake!
(admittedly we were so high our noses bled, but still . . . )
I tell you, Catholics were getting to be so Protestant that I was ready to join the Episcopalians just so my services would be a little more Roman!
Looks like word-for-word with the old Cranmer Prayer Book version (that is still hardwired into my memory):
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made. Being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven; by the power of the Holy Ghost he was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made man.
He was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried; on the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father; whence he shall come again with glory, to judge both the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the lord and giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spake by the prophets.
And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic church; I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sin; I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. AMEN.
If it was shortened, it was shortened a LONG time ago. Could you be thinking of the Athanasian Creed? The one that begins, "Whoever wishes to be saved must above all keep the Catholic faith" ??
Our old ECUSA diocese was traditionally 'low', there were a couple of 'high' parishes, and we were in both of them at one time or another. The highest was Our Saviour, Virginia-Highlands -- and it was so ultramontane it made Smoky Mary's in New York City look low. The rector preached on Purgatory one Easter and threw my then-Methodist husband for a loop! (of course now he's Catholic, you never know what's going to happen in 30 years.)
I remember genuflecting, of course. Now I just bow deeply along with the priest. At least the two of us still do it. We are both very old...As old as rocks.
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Thank you for posting this, NYer...
The young man being anointed in the second photo is my son Billy, and my younger son is sitting next to me (I’m in the red) in the third picture.
The ceremony was absolutely FANTASTIC!!!
It was a dream come true for my family and those of the other confirmandi.
Regards,
The girl you quoted, Miss Bissex, is indeed a charming and intelligent young lady whose family is equally delightful.
Regards,
http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicenel.htm
The A.D. 381 version doesn’t appear to be any longer than the A.D. 1546 version. At first I thought the words in brackets are pointing out the differences — but then there is [vivificatorem] where the 1546 version has “vivificantem.” So maybe the words in brackets are acceptable variations.
The A.D. 381 version has “we” instead of “I” — credimus/credo, for instance. The A.D. 1582 version added “invisibilium.” — of things invisible. There are some minor vocabulary differences and grammatical constructions that are different.
I’m fairly certain that Spiritum Sanctam is a misprint.
Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum, Filium Dei [unigenitum], natum ex Patre ante omnia saecula [Lumen de Lumine], Deum verum de Deo vero, natum [genitum], non factum, consubstantialem Patri; per quem omni facta sunt; qui propter nos homines et [propter] salutem nostram descendit de coelis et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria virginine et humanatus [homo factus] est; et crucifixus est pro nobis sub Pontio Pilato [passus] et sepultus est; et resurrexit tertia die [secundum scripturas]; ascendit in coelum [coelos], sedet ad dexteram Patris; interum venturus, cum gloria, judicare vivos et mortuos; cujus regni non erit finis.
Et in Spritum Sanctam, Dominum et vivificantem [vivificatorem], ex Patre procedentem, cum Patre et Filio adorandum et conglorificandum, qui locutus est per sanctos prophetas. Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam ecclesiam. Confitemur unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. Expectamus resurrectionem mortuorum et vitam futuri saeculi. Amen.
Beautiful story and pictures. Thank you for sharing.
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