Posted on 05/22/2008 9:39:21 AM PDT by colorcountry
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Narses, you may want to ping your list.
BTTT
1700 years.
What's safe to say on this thread?
Some one asked on another thread/post who the ldsers hold as the ultimate authority, I do not know if anyone answered but it is clear - Joe Smith.
I would say nothing. Its safer.
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Go ahead and say what you want to say. (If you get banned, what's the worst place they can send you? FReeper purgatory? Or since eternal "hell" is reserved only for Mormon apostates and the worst of the worst, even Mormon "damnation" for most folks is temporary...and the FReeper saints we know could perhaps pray you out of FReeper purgatory or FReeper Mormon hell in no time!)
If the church went into apostasy during the time of he apostles, and the Bible was written AFTER the time of the apostles, does it not follow that the Bible was written by apostates? If the Bible is considered to be gospel by Mormons, why do they believe something written by apostates?
Excellent point. (In fact I'll add additional verses at the bottom of post).
LOOK also at the many New Testament verses which speak of the Church as Christ's own body, such as Romans 12:1-5; 1 Corinthians 12:12-27; Ephesians 3:4-6; 5:21-32; and Colossians 1:18. Since Christ is the mind and head of his Church (Eph. 4:15-16), animating the body, the members enjoy an organic spiritual union with him (John 15:1-8). It's inconceivable that he would permit his body to disintegrate under the attacks of Satan. The apostle John reminds us that Jesus is greater than Satan (1 John 4:4)(1 Timothy 3:15 describes the Church as "The household of God...the pillar and foundation of truth." In light of this, we find additional assurance that the house that Jesus built will not be pillaged by Satan. "No one can enter a strong man's house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then, he can plunder his house" (Mark 3:27; cf. Matt. 12:29). Jesus is the "strong man" guarding his household, the Church.)
Another great point.
Although, tragically, the gates of hell can and do prevail over individual Christians who succumb to mortal sin and cut themselves off from life-giving union with Christ (Rom. 11:22; Gal. 5:4; 2 Peter 2:20-22; 1 John 5:16-17), they can't prevail against the Church Jesus built on the rock of Peter.(Jesus didn't command his followers to do things he himself couldn't do. "Everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on a rock. The rains fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on a rock" (Matt. 7:24- 25). It was no coincidence that Jesus used the words, "on this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18; Luke 6:46-49). See also Hebrews 11:10 and 1 Peter 2:6-8.) If they could--if they did--Jesus is made to look foolish for having taught, "Which of you wishing to construct a tower does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if there is enough for its completion? Otherwise, after laying the foundation and finding himself unable to finish the work the onlookers should laugh at him and say, 'This one began to build but did not have the resources to finish'" (Luke 15:28-30).
Superb diagnosis of Scripture here.
Other verses which highlight that Jesus is the Ever-Present Master Church-Builder who prevails as the Strong Guardian of a Church that has never fully apostatized are:
Ephesians 3:21: to him [God] be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
The apostle Paul's prophesy here is that ALL generations of the Church would (and have) given God glory, for ever and ever!
1 Timothy 4:1:: The Spirit clearly says that in later times SOME will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
I would encourage ALL of us that we dare not stumble over that word "some" and read it the Holy Spirit's EXPRESS prophesy that the "later times" apostasy would only encompass "some" and not "all."
Thank you for your wonderful, thoughtful reply.
You might like this as well:
http://www.christiangiftandbible.com/files/quizzes/sophia_dialogues_with_an_lds_missionary.pdf
Great link! I printed it for my files.
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>> Some one asked on another thread/post who the ldsers hold as the ultimate authority, I do not know if anyone answered but it is clear - Joe Smith. <<
Except that part of marrying however many wives you want. He got overruled on that one, didn’t he. Or are you in the FLDS?
huh?
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