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To: AnalogReigns; netmilsmom; Alex Murphy; Lord_Calvinus; Gamecock; OLD REGGIE; Uncle Chip; ...
Perhaps the answer is found in the RCC catechism itself...

"For the Son of man became man so that we might become God. The only begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods." (page 116, #460)

That right there tells us pretty much all we need to know about Rome. Rome believes the church turns men into gods by infusing righteousness into them and turning them into perfect creatures. Voila! A god.

Therefore perhaps it's not such a stretch to believe Mary was "sinless" and Mary is the "co-redeemer" and a "pope is infallible" and a priest is "another Christ."

Whereas the Bible instructs and the Reformation restated that all men are fallen and the only thing that saves anyone is Christ's righteousness mercifully imputed to the believer by grace through faith.

So it's probably easy for Rome to curse Protestants because Protestants are outside the RCC and do not believe they become a god in any way. Christ indwells us, but He remains always Christ and we remain always the creature, 100% guilty but 100% acquitted of our sins by Christ's rightousness through His atoning work on the cross.

Our differences really seem profound some days.

140 posted on 05/16/2008 5:19:04 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Ye must be born again”, of course that means “reincarnation” to some


144 posted on 05/16/2008 5:21:22 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>>For the Son of man became man so that we might become God. The only begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods<<

Unless you can provide a link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and not not the “Let Us Reason” website (which is all that came up on this quote) I would say it’s a lie.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22For+the+Son+of+man+became+man+so+that+we+might+become+God.+The+only+begotten+Son+of+God%2C+wanting+to+make+us+sharers+in+his+divinity%2C+assumed+our+nature%2C+so+that+he%2C+made+man%2C+might+make+men+gods&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1


169 posted on 05/16/2008 5:59:03 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Oh, dear. That was something I never realized. Sounds like Mormons somewhat.


196 posted on 05/16/2008 6:27:02 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Let us have the entire citation:
460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature": (2 Pet 1:4) "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God." (St. Irenaeus, Adv. haeres. 3, 19, 1; PG 7/1, 939) "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." (St. Athanasius, De inc., 54, 2: PG 25, 192B) "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods." (St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57: 1-4)
So the quote is from Office of the Feast of Corpus Christi written by St. Thomas Aquinas. The fuller quotation is:
The immeasurable blessings of divine favor, which have been showered upon the people of God, confer on them an inestimable dignity. What great nation is there, or ever was, that has a God so near to it as the Lord our God is to us! The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods. And what is more, he gave back to us for our salvation, all that he had assumed belonging to us. For he offered to God the Father, for our reconciliation, his own body as a victim on the altar of the cross. He shed his blood, at one and the same time, a ransom and a purification, that being redeemed from wretched slavery we might be washed clean of all sins.
It would be a mischaracterization to think that St. Thomas was saying that we become separate gods equal to God himself. Rather, as St. Peter stated in his Second Letter (that is in the Bible, by the way), we become "partakers of the divine nature"; we become united with God, we do not become a god. This meaning is shown later in the Catechism:
1265 Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte "a new creature," an adopted son of God, who has become a "partaker of the divine nature," (2 Cor 5:17; 2 Pet 1:4; cf. Gal 4:5-7) member of Christ and co-heir with him, (Cf. 1 Cor 6:15; 12:27; Rom 8:17) and a temple of the Holy Spirit.70
Of course you can be contentious and isolate this quote and try to make it seem that Catholics believe something that is supported nowhere else.
283 posted on 05/16/2008 7:56:05 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Your post pulls text from paragraph 460 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, but strips the quotation marks therein.

The text you posted is made entirely of direct quotes from St. Athanasius and St. Thomas Aquinas.

80 St. Athanasius, De inc. 54, 3: PG 25, 192B.
81 St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57, 1-4.


309 posted on 05/16/2008 9:32:06 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

That is called theosis, and it is the most common and best articulated of original doctrines of salvation held by the early Christians. Christ became man so man could become LIKE Him. It does NOT mean that men will become THE ALMIGHTY. It means men will be re-made LIKE HIM BY HIM, as in immortal and in an exalted state.

You need to study your theology history. I believe this idea was best articulated by such leading early Christian thinkers as Athanasius of Alexandria, Irenaeus and Maximus the Confessor, and it was considered entirely orthodox by the Great Church


1,084 posted on 05/20/2008 8:23:06 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You are selectively quoting from a section discussing 2Peter 1:4.

Context matters.


1,101 posted on 05/20/2008 11:43:58 AM PDT by magisterium
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