Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians? [open]

5/16/08 | me

[netmilsmom]

Stemming from this comment

>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<

Please tell us where we stand here. Examples welcome, but I'm not sure that actual names can be used when quoting another FReeper, so date and thread title may be better.

[Uri’el-2012]

Believe what you want.

It is the Holy Word of Elohim; yes I believe it.

I do not believe nor trust the babbling of men in Rome or any other city.

NAsbU Isaiah 26:4 "Trust in the LORD forever,
For in GOD the LORD, we have an everlasting Rock.

[Petronski]

It is the Holy Word of Elohim

As you interpret it.

I do not believe nor trust the babbling of men in Rome or any other city.

Neither do I. I'm a Catholic (Latin Rite).

[Petronski]

...most Protestant view Catholics as Mary-worshiping Pharisees who care more about man-made doctrine than the do the real word of God.

Actually, those are the views of the tiny minority of Protestants who hate Catholics and Catholicism.

[Gamecock]

***For the Son of man became man so that we might become God. The only begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods”***

Salt Lake City, meet Rome.

[Uri’el-2012]

Salt Lake City, meet Rome.

LOL !

[Always Right]

Actually, those are the views of the tiny minority of Protestants who hate Catholics and Catholicism.

I stand by most. Although your classification of hate is completely wrong, it is just a strong disagreement on doctrine. Of course Catholics think similar things towards Protestants.

[Petrosius]

We can argue about the true meanings of these passages ad infinitum, indeed they have been disputed for 500 years, but in the end I will be just as convinced that I have the correct interpretation as you will be that you have. So do not say that you rely on Scripture, so do I. Thus again, by what authority do insist that I must accept your interpretation of Scripture?

[Iscool]

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

"Not of works" refers to grace being not of works. Grace Alone, not Faith Alone.

Glad to hear you say that...Since that condemns every sacrement your church ever invented...

But you are right...Grace is without works...Justification is without works and FAITH is without works...It's ALL free...

Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

What is the reward??? Grace??? Not a chance...The reward is life eternal...

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Faith...NOT faith with works...Not faith and any sacrements...Faith plus NOTHING...

Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth RIGHTEOUSNESS WITHOUT WORKS,

[Iscool]

Perhaps you disagree with St. Peter that we become “partakers of the divine nature?”

Not a problem...As a Christian, I have partaken of the divine nature...But even so, I'm not one of them little 'gods'...

[Petrosius]

Not a problem...As a Christian, I have partaken of the divine nature...But even so, I'm not one of them little 'gods'...

Then we are in agreement since Catholics also do not think that we become little gods.

[Iscool]

Perhaps just an extreme way of analogizing, Catholics (unlike some of the cults) don't really believe that we become God or gods.

Sounds like you better start believing it...Your church demands it...

You'll notice there are Catholics on this thread that DO believe it...

[Running On Empty]

Not true. Not true. Not true.

Sometimes, any of us can become Johnny One-Notes.

[Iscool]

~~~~~There is a difference between “being a Christian” and “being damned to Hell.” Even a Catholic inside the Church who dies with an unrepentant and unforgiven mortal sin is damned to Hell. As for the condemnations pronounced by various popes because of heresy, their applications would involve the question of culpability and invincible ignorance, but let us save that for another thread.~~~~~

There already is a current thread on it...And the message of that thread is that anyone NOT a Catholic is condemned to Hell...No culpability...No invincible ignorance...it’s cut and dried...According to your church, non Catholics go to Hell...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2017127/posts

[Iscool]

Do you believe the Catholic Church has the power to damn you to Hell?

No more than I believe the Catholic church plays any part in my getting to Heaven...And NO, God will not damn me or anyone else to Hell for not being a Catholic...But then, what do you believe???

[Iscool]

For future reference, there's a link on Petronski's homepage to your catechism.

They likely check out your page far more than they do Petronski's...Maybe you should put the link on your page... :)

[Running On Empty]

“Your church demands it”

This is ridiculous. Please supply truth that the Roman Catholic Church states dogmatically that this is “demanded”-(the belief that we become God).

Be sure to include proof of the the word “demand”.

[Iscool]

So, divine nature is from Peter. If anyone has a problem with it, perhaps it should be taken up with him.

I asked him...He said divine nature comes from God...

[Petronski]

But then, what do you believe???

I believe it is very strange to complain of a "damnation" which one believes has no effect.

[Petronski]

Glad to hear you say that...Since that condemns every sacrement your church ever invented...

That is not accurate.

[Iscool]

Then we are in agreement since Catholics also do not think that we become little gods.

You guys seem to talk in a bunch of circles...A chapter in Psalms was posted earlier that referred to 'gods' and this apparently was the basis for your catechism that claims you become God...And then 2 Peter was referenced as the proof text...