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Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians? [open]
5/16/08 | me

Posted on 05/16/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom

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>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<

Please tell us where we stand here. Examples welcome, but I'm not sure that actual names can be used when quoting another FReeper, so date and thread title may be better.


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: christian
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To: Colofornian
It's noble to be open to God's truth. However, not just anything could or should pass for "revelation." If it counters what existing revelation says--and it's up to us to examine the Bible daily to see if what XYZ says is true--then we need to reject it.

Agreed! Along with the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, you can't go wrong!

421 posted on 05/17/2008 1:08:16 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: netmilsmom
Since you do know the Catechism so well it won't be hard for you to give the proper reference next time.

I gave the proper reference. It was the Catechism of the Catholic Church," and you questioned the catechism's veracity.

As well you should.

FWIW, I expect FReepers to do their own homework and not to mis-attribute words and motives to other FReepers carelessly (and certainly to apologize when that happens.) That was good advice given to me years ago on this forum, and it's still good advice.

Just think of all you've learned since you "searched the Scriptures (or catechism in your case) daily, (to learn) whether those things were so." (Acts 17:11.) Almost Berean of you.

It's also interesting to note that the site you linked to (a site you apparently didn't like) actually referenced the Catechism correctly!

lol.

422 posted on 05/17/2008 1:08:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski
"So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish:

Whose hope shall be cut off, and whose trust shall be a spider's web." -- Job 8:13-14


423 posted on 05/17/2008 1:11:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: XeniaSt
That's great!

CCC #460 refers to Theosis. The concept is not exactly new, nor particular to the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church.

I realize some folks think Christianity began in Geneva and the Bible was written by King James, but Christ started His Church 1900+ years ago, and the scholarship is a bit more thorough than some recent splinter group.

424 posted on 05/17/2008 1:14:59 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You should go further than quoting it: actually heed it.


425 posted on 05/17/2008 1:16:23 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski
NAsbU Job 19:

25 "As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth.

26 "Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God;

27 Whom I myself shall behold, And whom my eyes will see and not another. My heart faints within me!

b'SHEM Yah'shua

426 posted on 05/17/2008 1:17:14 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I gave the proper reference. It was the Catechism of the Catholic Church,"

They only reference made in post #387 by you is to the "Catechism of the Catholic Faith," which is NOT the proper reference.

...and you questioned the catechism's veracity.

No, she questioned YOUR reference to it.

427 posted on 05/17/2008 1:19:56 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski
I realize some folks think Christianity began in Geneva and the Bible was written by King James, but Christ started His Church 1900+ years ago, and the scholarship is a bit more thorough than some recent splinter group.

424 posted on May 17, 2008 2:14:59 PM MDT by Petronski

If you were familiar with the Holy Word of Elohim you would
realize that the Ekklesia began in Deuteronomy 4: 10
b'SHEM Yah'shua
428 posted on 05/17/2008 1:21:57 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Petrosius
This is a real participation, not just an imputation.

As Scripture tells us, it is definitely an "imputation."

"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." -- Romans 4:3-8

I "participate" in a representative form of government.

I do not "become" the government. (I save that lie for the socialists.)

Christ's righteousness is imputed to us by God's mercy alone. It is Christ's righeousness that saves the fallen sinner; not his own.

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." -- Romans 5:19

429 posted on 05/17/2008 1:22:27 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski

Not when my soul is at stake.


430 posted on 05/17/2008 1:23:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: XeniaSt

And the Catholic Church founded by Christ and promised in Matthew 16 began in the upper room at Pentecost (Acts 1).


431 posted on 05/17/2008 1:24:44 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You refuse to heed the warning in Job 8:13-14 when your soul is at stake? That makes no sense.


432 posted on 05/17/2008 1:26:12 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>> not to mis-attribute words and motives<<

Really, I don’t have to mis-attribute words or motives to FReepers. They show how they are all the time. Most give a proper reference from the source, not another site quoting it, (or none at all as the original post was) because anything can be taken out of context, without the footnotes as the original site found by a google search proved. There really wouldn’t have been a probem at all if one cited the real reference, from the horses mouth, so to speak

As for the lecture, I’ve been around a while and both my parents have been gone for over 25 years. After years of listening to the most hateful people throw lectures to cover the vile, I’ve learned to look by it. One learns lots in years of experience.

Trust me, people’s motivations are not lost on me. Not mind reading, just past practice, as my wise father used to say.

Gotta go open the camper, Sister in Christ. So you’ll have to go on without me.


433 posted on 05/17/2008 1:26:42 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

It is sad to see how shallow the theology and scholarship is in a 70-year-old splinter denomination.


434 posted on 05/17/2008 1:27:15 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: netmilsmom
Trust me, people’s motivations are not lost on me. Not mind reading, just past practice...

We shall know them by their fruits, and with this thread, you have built for us a world-class fruit market.

436 posted on 05/17/2008 1:30:49 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski
Believe the myth, if you bet your immortal soul on Nicea.

Membership in a man-made corporation will not save anyone.

I prefer to call on the NAME of the L-rd: YHvH is my salvation

to quote Yah'shua

NAsbU Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

NAsbU Romans 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

b'SHEM Yah'shua

437 posted on 05/17/2008 1:31:54 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

I do not gamble with my soul at all. I worship Christ as I am called to do by His Church.

I am not a member of a man-made corporation and have no expectation to be saved by one.


438 posted on 05/17/2008 1:33:43 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: netmilsmom
Christians "share in the divine nature;" they do not "become" the divine nature.

God remains God and men remain men. Some men are condemned and some men are acquitted. Our sanctification during our life time takes a life time, and we remain sinners until the end (although by the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit we desire to sin less and less.) Our glorification at our death is instantaneous when we behold the face of God in glory.

It's important not to mix up the Creator with the creation. It leads to all sorts of nasty errors, like praying to dead people and believing a woman is the "co-redeemer."

439 posted on 05/17/2008 1:34:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski
Nice to see you admit you do not.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.

Reading the minds of other posters is a form of "making it personal."

440 posted on 05/17/2008 1:36:39 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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