Posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
In either event I can't help you. Goodbye.
Isn't that odd, since most of your church's dogmas are EXTRA biblical???
Are you claiming that Catholics DO NOT have faith in Christ?
Are you the least bit aware that beliefs in Baptism and the Eucharist are held by the MAJORITY of Protestants?
That's the problem with YOPIOS, which YOPIOS expert do you trust?
“I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy. The bible warns about the enemy invading “the body of Christ” not to be confused with RC teaching that it IS the Church. I think these doctrines are the example of “Damnable heresies” mentioned in the bible. It seems that many of the warnings in the bible are aimed at the RCC and many of it’s teachings.”
So do Catholics know they worship Mary?
freegards
“Because they most sincerely do not believe they are worshipping her.”
So not only do Catholics not know they are goddess worshippers, they kick anyone out who admits to worshipping Mary. But in reality, the folks doing the kicking out still worship Mary, they just don’t know they do as opposed to the goddess worshippers being kicked out for worshipping Mary...
Freegards
“Some do. They’re just not on FR.”
Why aren’t Mary worshippers on FR?
Freegards
I don't mean to sound mean, but I don't believe there are any Catholic Scriptural scholars...
And no, I haven't read any books by these guys...Couldn't get thru one...I've started some, read many, many excerpts...Many, many chapters...See no need to torture myself...
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OK, you did.
The typical poster on FR is more educated than the general public.
Trapping you? Sorry, that was not my intention. I was thinking that of all places, an anonymous internet site would be one of the places were the Catholics who admit to their Mary worship would loudly proclaim such worship.
I think you are right about the education level of Freepers. Do you think folks educated about Catholic teaching are more or less likely to realize they worship Mary?
Freegards
Sure. I’m not unaware of your sympathies. I won’t post to it again.
No, I’m not saying that. If you have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ you are not lost. But if you depend on rites of the church, well, you’d better worry about that. We believe in baptism and communion but not as salvific. Only Christ can save us. Baptism and the Eucharist are not salvific.
Umm, I think the Holy Spirit is our guide, and our teacher. We can’t do anything by ourselves.
Who is this “we” you are referring to?
Well now, what with the Church do with you? You think reverence for the Word of God, which entails holding as Truth revealed and proclaiming it as It says to do, is not worship. And you think kneel and praying to something, holding that thing or person as a mediator, believing in miraculous deceptions IS worship.
How arbitrary and hateful of you.
/end sarcasm.
;O)
I'll start by defining terms:
Position refers to the way God looks at the Christian and is based on the past work of Christ and the Christian's identification with Him. Daily successes and failures play no part in the standing, or position, before God. The position of the Christian before God is unchangeable for all eternity.
Condition refers to the day-to-day experience, which can rise and fall through well-being and adversity, spiritual health and sickness. One day the Christian's condition may be seeking God, while another day fleeing God. One day feeling victorious, another defeat.
Of course not, it is not something the Catholic Church would study or publish.Now there have been some that have maintained that the Catholic Church is less than honest in declaring its beliefs. If that was not your intention I sincerely apologize. But then why is the only evidence from ex-priests, ex-Catholics and non-Catholics? If the practice is so prevalent as you claim, surely there would be evidence from primary sources.
“your idea of worship if you think the litany would be more appropriate to God — must be very stunted by our standards. And you must live in a much narrower, greyer world!”
That is the principal difference between Catholicism and Protestantism. Catholicism is “both and,” not “either or.” It is in technicolor and smellivision. It is rich and jubilant. It is tolerant.
Protestantism is narrow and gray. They think we are required to reject most of the blessings that God wishes to shower upon us. How many times have you heard Protestants assert that something is not “necessary” to salvation? As though a loving God wishes to restrict us to only those things that are strictly necessary.
They are Plato’s prisoners in a cave, seeing only shadows of what God wishes to give us.
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