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DR. PUSEY ON THE WORSHIP OF MARY IN THE CHURCH OF ROME
Sword and the Trowel ^ | 1866 | Charles Spurgeon

Posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg

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To: Aussie Dasher
Hundreds of millions of moozies want to decapitate us and you are having a go at the Catholics????

It's a hobby.

21 posted on 05/14/2008 11:59:48 PM PDT by LordBridey
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To: NucSubs
Depends on whom you ask.

John Dowling wrote in the "History of Romanism," 1847, that the number of Waldensian martyrs during the first half of the 13th century in France reached two million. From 1160-1560 the Waldensians in the Italian Alps were almost completely destroyed as a people and most of their literary record was erased.

From 1540 to 1570 "it is proved by national authentic testimony, that nearly one million Protestants were publicly put to death in various countries in Europe, besides all those who were privately destroyed, and of whom no human record exists" (J.P. Callender, "Illustrations of Popery," 1838).

Catholic historian Vergerius wrote that during the reign of Pope Paul IV (1555-1559) "the Inquisition alone, by tortures, starvation, or the fire, murdered more than 150,000 Protestants."

Of course all this has little to do with this thread.

22 posted on 05/15/2008 12:01:58 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: NucSubs
Then why did John Paul II refer to Mary as the "Co-Redeemer" on at least six occasions?

And what do you make of all these high-fiving RCs on this thread?

PADRE PIO AND THE MOTHER CO-REDEMPTRIX

23 posted on 05/15/2008 12:05:16 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: LordBridey
It's preaching the Gospel in truth and love.

Sorry if you aren't able to see it that way.

24 posted on 05/15/2008 12:05:56 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: NucSubs; Dr. Eckleburg

**Not hundreds of thousands.**

Oh, well that’s much better then....


25 posted on 05/15/2008 12:06:30 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, “Am I good enough to be a Christian?” rather “Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: Gamecock

Ping to 22.


26 posted on 05/15/2008 12:08:34 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

For those who take the time to look, there are skeletons in the closet.


27 posted on 05/15/2008 12:12:14 AM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I should have closed my post with a < /sarcasm>

It is a well established fact that over 100,000 French Calvinists were slaughtered during the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre, so the above claim is obviously incorrect..

28 posted on 05/15/2008 12:14:57 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, “Am I good enough to be a Christian?” rather “Am I good enough not to be?")
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To: Gamecock; irishtenor; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; ...
Here's a great website by James McCarthy who wrote the excellent book (which I just finished reading) "The Gospel According to Rome."

Very informative.

HAIL MARY:
CO-REDEEMER?

29 posted on 05/15/2008 12:17:37 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock
It is a well established fact that over 100,000 French Calvinists were slaughtered during the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre,

Yep. Men, women and children over the course of a few days, pulled from their beds while sleeping and slaughtered for believing in grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

THE MASSACRE OF ST. BARTHOLOMEW

30 posted on 05/15/2008 12:21:22 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

1) I did not see any RC high fiving over Mary as Co-redeemer. I saw a typical RC vs PROD (un)civil war. As a Christian it disgusts and saddens me how bad both sides can be.

2) In the article you referenced I do not see co-redeemer as co-savior. There is a difference and a subtle point about Mary’s love for her son and her suffering and sacrifice is being made.

3) I fully understand that this point can be misunderstood easily by non-Catholic Christians (as well as many Catholics!).

4) I fully appreciate the un-ease my Christian brethren may have towards Catholic’s view of Mary. I further admit that there are probably many “catholics” who do cross the line into worship (just as there are many protestant “christians” who read horoscopes or maintain superstitions or other forms of idol worship).

5) Christians have more in common than we do that separates us - especially when we realize how many secularist and muzzie enemies we have. It is the tone of the disagreements which is upsetting. I think you and others would have a far greater influence and discussion would be more productive if the tone of the conversation was simply changed.


31 posted on 05/15/2008 12:35:13 AM PDT by NucSubs (Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: Gamecock

It is, and I was addressing a libel meant to attach a negative association upon all other aspects.


32 posted on 05/15/2008 12:36:27 AM PDT by NucSubs (Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: NucSubs; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; irishtenor
I did not see any RC high fiving over Mary as Co-redeemer. I saw a typical RC vs PROD (un)civil war. As a Christian it disgusts and saddens me how bad both sides can be.

Huh? A "typical RC vs PROD (un)civil war???" On a Catholic Caucus Thread???

You won't mind, will you, if I disregard the rest of your comment since you apparently didn't read the link you're now trying to discuss.

As anyone can see, that link was a caucus thread and only Catholics were in the discussion.

33 posted on 05/15/2008 12:41:24 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: DannyTN

“Dr. Eckleburg, have you ever asked any Catholics if they worship Mary? I have. And while I can’t speak for Catholics everywhere, here in the South they get offended at that question and emphatically deny that they worship Mary.”


Roman Catholics in the Philippines certainly don’t deny that they actually worship the blessed so-called virgin, who didn’t die a virgin — she had other children after Christ was born. It was only necessary that Jesus Christ be virgin born, not his half-brothers or half-sisters.


34 posted on 05/15/2008 1:17:24 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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I agree. Respect of Mary comes from respect for Jesus in a Jo Mama sort of way. We love you and yo mama. As a Catholic I was only ever taught that there is one god. Its in the creed that we recite every week. The only thing about Mary is that she was his mother. We respect his mother. Is there a bible that does not have Mary below Jesus on the cross. Does he not speak to her last. Does she not first along with the other Mary, find Jesus gone from the tomb. What is wrong with respect for Mary. She was important to him, so she is important to us. But she is not a god. She is not part of a god. Catholics are clear on this.


35 posted on 05/15/2008 1:33:48 AM PDT by poinq
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To: Aussie Dasher
You've stumbled on a hit piece by the usual suspects. They are a group here that post anti-Catholic threads all the time.
It doesn't matter how often you correct them. Bigotry will not change. Nor hatred. Nor ignorance.
36 posted on 05/15/2008 1:37:14 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Beware of Pussyism! Pussyism is always bad, and may lead to unchristian feeling; therefore beware of Pussyism!” - Robert E. Lee to Henry Hunt, Fort Hamilton, 1846, when this very conflict had seized the Episcopal community.


37 posted on 05/15/2008 1:45:44 AM PDT by carton253 (www.headquartersanv.blogspot.com -- for conversations about the Army of Northern Virginia.)
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To: Aussie Dasher; Dr. Eckleburg

It’s a sermon by the great English preacher Charles Spurgeon who lived in the 1800’s. He is called “the Prince of Preachers” by many.

On the Religion Forum many topics are brought up. It has nothing to do with moozies.


38 posted on 05/15/2008 2:54:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: NucSubs; Dr. Eckleburg

St Barth’s Massacre itself was estimated by many at one hundred thousand.


39 posted on 05/15/2008 2:56:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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More outrageous lies told about the Catholic Church. Outright lies, nothing less. Shame on any who post lies like this, those who distribute them and those who use these lies to harm the Christian community -- SHAME!

40 posted on 05/15/2008 3:11:16 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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