Why so many LDS threads?

08-May-2008 | Grig

[Grig]

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

[restornu]

You missed this

2 Samuel 12
7 ¶ And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things

[andysandmikesmom]

Glad I could cheer you up...thanks for the kind words...

[SkyPilot]

It was sarcasm DU.

But, thanks for reminding me that the LDS church sits on Billions.

The Church does not release financial statements to the general public or even to the general membership, and has not since roughly 1963. That seems a bit unfair to the average members of the Church who contribute all the money. After all, lack of disclosure and oversight is almost always associated with mismanagement and corruption, and I have little doubt that rule applies to the billions of dollars under the control of senior LDS leaders. The internal audits performed by LDS employees keep Bishops from stealing from the tithing pot, but can do little to prevent mismanagement or improper spending by Church executives.

[Monkey Face]

No thanks necessary! You’re the one that did the good job!

*HUG*

[SkyPilot]

I found this passage from the link I sent to Delphi User fascinating:

Mormons rather naively assume much of the money goes to aid the poor, which is wildly inaccurate--only a miniscule proportion goes to "charitable causes." Most of it goes to support the corporate operations of the Church--buildings (chapels, temples, visitor's centers), payroll (CES employees, LDS bureaucrats, and GA salaries paid out as "living expenses"), and investments (primarily securities and real estate). Who "owns" the assets of the Church, generally estimated to be in the tens of billions of dollars? Theoretically, "the Church" owns the assets, with senior leaders exercising control as "trustees" of the Church and its members. Practically, the senior leaders own the assets--they make the decisions, they are accountable to no one, and none of the "little people" (average Church members, supposedly the ones in whose interest the money and assets are managed) have a say in what is done with the money or are even able to obtain meaningful financial information concerning revenues, expenditures, assets, or budgets.

[Marysecretary]

They come out at night when I’m sleeping...

[Tennessee Nana]

You missed this

I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things
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I didnt miss anything..

“gave” is past tense..

David already had those things..

AFTER Saul was dead...

Yes, David got all Saul’s concubines...

his harem...

When the false prophet Joseph smith got himself fairly killed shooting his way out of the jail, someone got all the concubines in his harem...

But his one and only wife refused to have anything to do with polygamy and lived a long successful life..

[Monkey Face]

Uh-oh...

Contact the CIA and tell them your lawn is infested with grubby moles, and you want them terminated with extreme prejudice.

Or, you could move....
Or, find something that eats moles...
Or, call Chevy Chase and the late Rodney Dangerfield...
Or....

*sigh*

[restornu]

One bullet is shooting ones way out of Jail!

If you say so!:)

[Marysecretary]

Indeed!

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Just out of curiosity, how much does it pay to be a professional anti Mormon, I could get a job doing what you do and in the evenings refute what I had said during the day, now that's job security!

What happened is the carpet bombers were all picked on as children. So today if they can pull just one soul into their kingdom by kicking them in the groin it becomes the ultimate therapy. lol.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

If they can just kick one person in the groin for Jesus all this would be worth it.

[SkyPilot]

Charles,

I know I can come across wrong sometimes. When in the midst of these debates, one can get attacked personally, or your ideas are attacked.

Sometimes I react in anger, or sarcasm, or humor. Other times I just let it go.

Sometimes I apologize if I felt I was wrong, or cruel. People on FR (and I have been here awhile) think of me differently depending on the subject and how we interact. Some like me, some do not.

Same for all of us.

Those that don't like me have no trouble telling me. Also, the way one comes across on the forum is not necessarily your total personality - although it can be a reflection of it.

I have to tell you this.

You mostly come across (to me anyways) as very arrogant. I think you believe that because you write some column (what it is I don't even know) - that you are superior to the Bourgeoisie Freepers.

Moreover, almost every one of your posts is dripping with condescension. Just my opinion.

Have you ever received this kind of feedback before?

Hey, like I said - I am far from perfect - so you can rail away at my faults. This is just an observation.

[Tennessee Nana]

One bullet is shooting ones way out of Jail!

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THe false prophet Joseph Smith shot and killed THREE men with only ONE bullet ???

WOW that’s some fine shootin’

Does Buffalo Bill know about him ???

He could join the Wild West Show ...

Have a real jovb for once...

[Marysecretary]

LOL, I hadn’t heard that about Obama. Maybe one of the states was confusion?

[Tennessee Nana]

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