Why so many LDS threads?

08-May-2008 | Grig

[Grig]

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

lol. job well done thou good and faithful hypocrite.

[Reno232]

Thanks for making my point Elsie. Did I not answer that question on Tue.? And here you are asking the same question, on a different thread. I’m not playing your games Elsie. The sandbox is all yours.

[Tennessee Nana]

I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I am a Mormon.
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Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm no mention there of “mormon”

But let’s read further...

Rom 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:16-32

Yes, these words of Paul do describe much of the history of the mormons...

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Studded wheels; you silly Wabbit!

that turns me on.

[CharlesWayneCT]

I’m sure anybody who has any interest in reading OR responding to it has seen it. And if not, certainly one time in each thread should be enough spamming for anybody.

[CharlesWayneCT]

The only one that I can say I’ve seen direct evidence of is the one I mentioned the first time. Of course, I imagine the Unitarians might, but I couldn’t find a link on their web site.

As I also said in my first post, it wasn’t my intent to introduce a new meme into the conversation, and that was a mistake. My argument has not been a religious one about what is acceptable to denominations, and frankly I think I got too drawn into the religious beliefs portion of the discussion.

I’m not trying to convince anybody to accept any denomination as Christian. I’m not trying to defend the religious beliefs of a denomination, or cult. I’m defending the acceptability of a political alliance with others whose religion we disagree with.

[Saundra Duffy]

There were these two guys debating the Bible, you know, throwing Bible verses around to impress and preach. One of the fellows became offended and said to the other, “I'll bet you don't know the Bible at all; I'll bet you twenty bucks you don't even know the Lord's Prayer!” The other replied, “You're on; here's twenty bucks says I do know the Lord's Prayer!”

OK, pal, let's hear it. You're on.

“Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep. If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take.”

There was a short silence and the other replied, “Well, you had me goin’ there for a minute; I didn't think you really knew your Bible. Here's the twenty.”

Tennessee Nana - I know the Bible; I love the Bible; I have read it cover to cover more than once. Quoting Scripture is nice but I think the Bible is for you to read and ponder for yourself, not for you to throw out a bunch of Scriptures to try to pound someone over the head with them. The Holy Spirit is a “still small voice”.

When someone has to prove their righteousness, they automatically are not. Thanks anyway.

[MagnoliaMS]

If those showing up to expose were as gifted as they think they are they might have concinced someone by now. But they haven't. Have you noticed THAT? lol.

You don't know that.

[sevenbak]

Why do I drink water? Because if I didn’t my organs would fail, my skin would crumble, and I would die. ;-)

But to answer your question...

http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/27/2#2

[higgmeister]

Do you realize that Fred Thompson belongs to a restorationist Christian church which rejects the post-apostolic creeds. As do many other Christian denominations.

Even St. Athanasias of Athanasian creed fame was branded a heretic.

No, I did not know that. As this thread was not about politics, it is only an interesting aside. I feel that the only global religion that I would reject a Presidential candidate for adherence to is Muslim.

[sevenbak]

The big difference between the two is that one is doing as Jesus instructed...

“go ye therefore and teach all nations”

The other is doing just the opposite.

2 Tim. 2: 24
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

[sevenbak]

Yes, the trinity view and the LDS view of the Godhead are quite different, as I've already pointed out.

This further illustrates what I'm talking about:

Jesus said, Whom do men say that I am?

And his disciples answered and said, Some say you are John the Baptist returned from the dead; others say Elias, or other of the old prophets.

And Jesus answered and said, But whom do you say that I am?

Peter answered and said, “Thou art the Logos, existing in the Father as His rationality and then, by an act of His will, being generated, in consideration of the various functions by which God is related to his creation, but only on the fact that Scripture speaks of a Father, and a Son, and a Holy Spirit, each member of the Trinity being coequal with every other member, and each acting inseparably with and interpenetrating every other member, with only an economic subordination within God, but causing no division which would make the substance no longer simple.”

And Jesus answering, said, “What?”

[sevenbak]

MHGinTN, you are mistaken. Christ himself told us he was not talking about John 10:16 (Other sheep hearing His voice) as about the Gentiles. Christ's mission was never to the Gentiles. Remember, he said specifically that “They will hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd”

The Gentiles were never to hear His voice, that wasn't His mission. That was the Apostles.

Matt. 15: 24.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The sheep that would hear his voice and become one fold were of the house of Israel. John 10:16 is about OTHER sheep not of that fold.

[sevenbak]

The question was how I was interpreting it. I wasn’t. It had already been done in the BOM.

[sevenbak]

I realize that. Nice to be in such good company. ;-)

[restornu]

In all due respect if I told you I really don’t think you would stop to ponder.

You would continue being a goalie!

[sevenbak]

Hi Resty. What are we both doing up this late? And you on the East Coast!

Goodnight. ;-)

[SkyPilot]

The vanity at the top of this thread reminds me of the sound Rush makes when he imitates a whining, crying child who doesn't get his way.

Just my opinion here, but yes - you are correct.

Who am I? Just a sinner saved by Christ. What do I believe? That Christ died on the cross for me - and that if I received Him, and repented, I would be saved from Hell. Heaven is real, so is Hell.

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

Matthew 7:13-14

My works won't save me. Works are only a testament to being saved, and they please God. But Salvation comes from Christ's sacrifice alone.

I don't need secret hand symbols, green aprons, secret temple ceremonies, or any "restored" gospel by a man who literally coined the term "Phoney As a Three Dollar Bill."

Joseph Smith's Kirtland Bank Failure

For defending Christ and what I believe, according to Grig, I am this:

[AppyPappy]

LOL!

[AppyPappy]

I actually agree with the Mormons on some aspects of church life. I think they do those things better than most Protestant churchs. It’s just simply a better system.

But theologically, we are in different worlds.