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Posted on 05/08/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by Grig
I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.
For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.
Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.
We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).
When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.
Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.
In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.
Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.
Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.
So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.
When people are hurt, especially at a young age, it’s very hard to forgive and just about impossible to forget. My mother, to her death, wouldn’t forgive German men of the age they would have been when they invaded Norway.
Do a user search on Delphi User and read his ardent mormon defense of polygamy. And then read back through sevebak’s posts. Use the fLDS as a thread guide to which to focus upon.
There are worse things than being a “typical” anything. It’s often difficult growing up in a Mormon community when your are of another or no religion.
And sometimes, it’s difficult growing up in a Mormon community when you’re a Mormon.
It’s nice to know I’m not the only one making double posts. I’m blaming mine on my mouse. How about you?
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You notice there was no huge story attached to my post.
No......”When our Prophet died, even an ex-mormon came on the thread to offer condolences. She even had very nice things to say about Gordon B. Hinckley. It brought tears to my eyes....”
Never a kind word for the ex-momons ya know. ,-)
And I grew up thinking Episcopalians were the frozen chosen. Who knew? LOL.
We ALL struggle with something in our lives. I’m sure she’s trying to deal with it in her own way, but it’s oftentimes very hard. We all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Seriously, when you go to Catholic.com, you are quoting one man’s opinion.
Karl Keating is a great guy and some of the things on his site are wonderful but some are lacking. He is an Apologist and what you are quoting from there is a page on how to deal with Mormons who try to force their beliefs on a Catholic. Not for us to run to a Mormon, but rather how to get out of the situation.
For all real documents of the Catholic Church you’ll want to go to the English language portion of the Vatican Website or the offical newspaper Zenit.
I don’t. Sniff. LOL.
Your mother would have probably benefitted from some counciling.
Are those the, gulp, Jesus twins?
My Mormon childhood in my 100% Mormon, Southern Utah, small town, was wonderful!
You sound like me. I was an Episcamethabaptacostal!
OK Mod - no mind reading. But can I assume that if I imply LDS members are pigs that need to be hosed down like Grig did at the beginning of this thread; then it will be OK for me to do the same from now on?
I'm not sure what prayer has to do with it. Either Mormons who baptise Catholics thinking they are in hell and won't see heaven without this baptism are right or they are wrong. I think they're wrong.
If they want to waste time baptising some "proxy" on behalf of one of my dead relatives, I wouldn't care. Mormonism isn't true, so it's not going to have any impact.
Whoa. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
Funny, you never use those sources in your efforts to keep Catholicism out of the your Mormon efforts.
I grew up in a Mormon town in Central Utah, and don’t recall too much except spending my summers in the foothills and deserts, learning about nature and geography.
Those were happy days, but now, all the areas we “played” in have been built up and are now residential.
Be assured, sevenbak, the Catholic threads run into the thousands of posts. LOL.
Sky, let me give you a suggestion.
Start all your post out with the following.
In my opinion.....
See this is how it works: “In my opinion, Grig was calling names, I think he used the word “pig” to illicit an image of dirty, muddy beasts in need of a hosing down. In fact his very words were, “Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down.” This seems to be an indirect way of calling any freeper opposed to Mormons, swine. Just my two cents.”
It keeps the Mods happy.
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