Why so many LDS threads?

08-May-2008 | Grig

[Grig]

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

[Gondring]

Yes, it has been made clear that he was “conceived in the normal manner, like you or I”

[SkyPilot]

Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down.

Nice to know that Mormons can call allude (in a vanity post as well) that Christians (and you are attacking Christians) are pigs - and get away with it.

I didn't know I stumbled into a radical Muslim chat room.

[Colofornian]

Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. [Grig]

Nice to know that Mormons can call allude (in a vanity post as well) that Christians (and you are attacking Christians) are pigs - and get away with it. [SP]

Diamond, I think it's time for you to "repost" your "Lady Lawyer" response.

Good pick up, Sky. (We get called so many ad hominen names by Mormons on a regular basis that we'd probably only notice it if it suddenly stopped!)

[SkyPilot]

Isn't she the LDS lawyer who is always referring to LDS members as "Pearls" and "gentiles" (meaning non-Mormons) as "Swine?"

[Enosh]

"Why so many LDS threads?"

Being unable to defend the many blasphemies inherent in Mormonism, they use 100,000 words to redefine the meaning of "is."

[Tax-chick]

What does that say about the REST of the times?

Although netmilsmom handled this just fine for me in my absence, I'll elaborate. Occasionally - maybe twice a week - the title of an LDS-specific thread will catch my eye. If I read something about forgiveness, about God's love, or about family life and homemaking, I generally find that it applies to my own life irrespective of the source.

If I decide to respond, "Oh, that's very nice!" or "I really liked this observation," I've never had anyone tell me I couldn't post because I'm not Mormon.

And now, back to daydreaming about Hawaii.

[sitetest]

“...I don’t have to agree with someone’s faith to respect them and to respect the value they place on their own beliefs.”

Should be enshrined on the Religion Moderator’s page.

[AppyPappy]

“Do you voice a disagreement with the Lord?”

Of course I do. Disagreement is the proof of faith. Atheists don’t disagree with God.

Good response though.

[DManA]

Then you and I practice seperate and unique religions because the part you don't believe is the heart of what I believe.

I'll fight for your right to believe anything you want. Just don't try to tell me it's the same thing I believe because it's not.

[AppyPappy]

I’m reading a book on Mormon Polygamy and the polygamists whole argument was that the LDS church “broke the rules” on the Principle because the Principle was eternal. The LDS responded that the polygamists broke the rule on Apostle Succession in that Latter Day leaders would prophecy God’s Truth. If the President and the General Conference said polygamy was to end, they were speaking what God had told them. Not to mention that the US government was threatening to confiscate the Temples.

Oddly, the church cooperated with the polygamists by sending them out of the country. Eventually, the disagreement became too great with the polygamists undermining the authority of SLC.

Note: the FLDS group drank coffee and alcohol. Go figure.

[CharlesWayneCT]

How should Catholics feel about all the people they work with, play with, hang out with, who believe that Mary had sex with Joseph before marriage, and that’s how Jesus came to be?

And are they also feeling bad about other Christians who believe that Mary had sex with Joseph AFTER Jesus was born, and had other children?

When you get into mechanisms of acts, rather than their fact, you go beyond what the bible teaches. Same with things as simple on the surface as communion. Eat this bread, Drink this cup. Pretty simple, but various denominations have made it into an area of contention. As with Baptism, and what might ensue from the act.

And don’t forget speaking in tongues. Well, do forget it, most people do, purposely, because they want to get along as one big happy christian brotherhood. They simply stay out of each other’s churches.

[DungeonMaster]

We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR.

The first person to use the word "bigotry" loses.

[DManA]

The part of being of one substance with the father is not scriptural,

We don't even follow the same scriptures. I believe your books are out and out frauds.

With that in mind, and the fact that I can in good conscience confess the Nicene creed (all of it), do you think I am a Christian? (that is a yes or no)

[CharlesWayneCT]

Without getting into a overtly religious theological discussion, I will note that on several points of doctrine, your objections are objectionable to my beliefs.

I say that not to say I am right and you are wrong, but to note that among Christians there is dissension as to the specifics you mention.

More broadly, the Christian Evolutionists don’t believe in God the creator, much less Jesus the creator, but still profess Christianity. Many Christians believe that Jesus died first for the specific sins of Adam, to relieve the world of the original sin, which was in the blood, which is why Jesus had to be born of a Virgin, so as not to have blood infected by Adam.

And I speak to Mormons who sincerely believe your reckoning of what they believe to be false. You may well speak for every other Mormon than those I speak with, but I tend not to judge people to be false about their own expressions of their own faith, regardless of what I think their church teaches.

[netmilsmom]

I got the toss from Catholic Answers forums for being too conservative.

I’m not sure they are the best source.

[greyfoxx39]

Saundra Duffy: "Anyhoo, one day, I decided to listen to the LDS Missionaries. I would be afraid to put their names on this site for fear the Mormon haters would track them down and try to hurt them, those two sweet boys."....and this is the face of mormonism?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

C,
I think the candidacy of Romney, a very prominent mormonism
member, simply raised many, many concerns throughout the US,
as surveys showed. A solid 20%+ consistently said they would
not vote for a mormon. Fact.

As to political threads, that simple fact meant that when
Romney’s candidacy was discussed, you had to expect it would
be discussed thoroughly - including his membership in
mormonism. And when people who are also trapped in mormonism
complained, it is to be expected that those who disagree
with mormonism would disagree also.

Every new thread that is put up about mormonism will be
discussed. If the originator of this thread really wanted
to cool things off, he wouldn’t organize more opportunities
to discuss mormonism. He is working at cross purposes to
what he states. This makes me wonder if he is intending for
this to continue.

best,
ampu

PS - I was one not intending to vote for Romney based on
his liberalism and record and involvement in a cult. Any
of those three would have kept me out.

[DManA]

I’m not sure I understand your point. If you don’t yet know who Jesus is, it’s a pretty good sign that you aren’t yet saved.

[sevenbak]

References please

[Monkey Face]

Signed by Monkey Face.