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Posted on 05/08/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by Grig
I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.
For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.
Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.
We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).
When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.
Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.
In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.
Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.
Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.
So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.
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You called, mortal?
Can you imagine?!
"If your God is not worth defending Charles, what is?"
I'm not beholden to the Assemblies of anything.
I was raised a strict fundamentalist Baptist, and still gravitate toward their dogma, even though I've found a very good Assemblies of God (not even sure of that) church near my home.
This new church has a great Sunday School, and my grandkids love it, and that's good.
Quite frankly, I've been going here to two years, and I couldn't tell the difference between the sermons.
"Mormonism is an original, invented religion, born of the mind of Joseph Smith, who is responsible for the spiritual seduction of millions of people. To the world, Mormonism sells itself as the friendly Christian church down the street, but in reality it is no closer to biblical Christianity than Hinduism or Islam.
The goals of Mormonism, however, remain unchanged. It desires to turn Protestants and Catholics, Evangelicals and Pentecostals, into Mormons. It seeks to introduce them to what the Bible calls another gospel, another spirit, and another Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4)."
You think my God is the God of “presbyterianism”?
You think my God is some weakling in need of defense against some long-dead mortal?
If a freeper attacks God, he won’t need me to jump in. In this case, all that is happening is some poster keeps posting that “presbyterianism is not true”. I ignore it. God did not ordain my denomination — if he did, then every other denomination would be “attacking” God.
Do you think Presbyterianism is “true”?
Well, yes. That is a Christian denomination, and if you said you worshiped there - I have to assume you believe in that "God."
For someone who throws around their intellect - I have to tell you am amazed, but not surprised, by that sentence coming from you.
You think my God is some weakling in need of defense against some long-dead mortal?
God does not need any of us. He does not need me, or you. But (I think) you know that. Jesus COMMANDED us to make disciples for Him. God and Jesus are one in the same. A "Command" from God means it applies to you as well Charles.
That means if you are a Christian, you are supposed to win souls and spread the Truth.
You are not supposed to stand around with your hands in your pockets and complain that people are defending true Christianity - which is what you have done on this forum.
Yet - you are telling me and everyone else here you are a Chirstian, but giving every excuse you can think of why you should not have to do what He says (i.e. Not the appropriate forum; Will alienate political allies; I don't want to; etc....)
If a freeper attacks God, he won’t need me to jump in. In this case, all that is happening is some poster keeps posting that “presbyterianism is not true”. I ignore it. God did not ordain my denomination — if he did, then every other denomination would be “attacking” God.
TRANSLATION: I don't want to deal with this - let God do it all, and anyway, I will ignore Jesus' words because I want to.
This is what He said:
"Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Gospel of Matthew 28:16-20
Do you think Presbyterianism is “true”?
Yup.
Mormons, however, do not. That means that they call Christ (the real one) a liar.
The gates of Hell would not prevail against His church .....remember?
It had no need to be "restored" by a guy who "married" 27 girls and murdered two men in a shoot out he caused by trying shut down a newspaper that was going to expose his sexual sins.
So, either the LDS members are lying, or Christ is.
Whose side are you on?
Better yet - you should ask yourself this question:
Are you really in His grip?
Maybe you should check the posting history of some of them, especially the ones who you see posting regularly in the religion forum. A lot of them never leave the Religion forum. For many this is the only place they post. This is their mission field. They post their little Book of Mormon passages on Catholic threads, Protestant threads, Hare Krishna threads, Creationist threads, whatever. They pretend to be Christians just like everyone else, yet they are here to convert as many of you GENTILES as they can to Mormonism.
They rely heavily on guys like you, Christian enablers, who carry their water and who are more than willing to come down hard on anyone who criticizes them or their abberant teachings, doctrines or practices, but is unwilling to come down hard on any of them, no matter what kind of nonsense they post here.
Pot meet kettle. Most of the Carpet Bombers stay here as well. Unless they meander over to the News forum for a bash Romney thread. Mormons are as sincere in what they believe as you are. But I guess you're correct because the spirit tells you. Barf.
Indeed; but...
Romans 10:2-4
2. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.
3. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.
4. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
So you are a Presbyterian? Or are you going to hell? Or do you think there a multiple different denominations with different teachings that are all “true”?
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