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1 posted on 05/02/2008 12:03:46 PM PDT by colorcountry
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Fip Ping

Narses, this might be of special interest to you.


2 posted on 05/02/2008 12:07:34 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry

” In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”

Why would they worry about it?


6 posted on 05/02/2008 12:16:48 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: colorcountry; Elsie
(Well, I suppose the next step would be to go into Catholic cemetaries, dig up the corpses, dunk them by immersion, & then return them...that way, they won't necessarily "miss out" on Mormon "salvation" just because they had the "misfortune" to belong to a "sect" that Joseph Smith said...
...had 100% creeds that were supposedly an "abomination" to whatever entity appeared to them...
...had "professors" who were supposedly 100% "corrupt")

Source for Smith's assessment of the Catholic Church: Pearl of Great Price LDS "Scripture," Joseph Smith - History, vv. 18-20.

7 posted on 05/02/2008 12:17:27 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: colorcountry

Arrrggghh, this will impact genealogists so much. SLC has the best records in the world; people come from Germany to look up German records which they cannot access in their own countries. And since the majority of Europeans are/ have been Catholic, it has been just wonderful to have access to them.


15 posted on 05/02/2008 12:28:06 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: colorcountry

Um, why is the Catholic church worried about any Mormon re-baptisms. They don’t actually believe that counts, do they?


16 posted on 05/02/2008 12:40:43 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: colorcountry

This is too bad. I’m a genealogy-loving Catholic who spends many hours going over records at LDS institutions. Since I do not believe in post-death baptism, my LDS friends who will do so to me after I pass means NOTHING to me. Have at it if it makes you happy.

But to make so many of these records unavailable to those who, for free, go to genealogy centers at LDS facilities is short-sighted.


23 posted on 05/02/2008 1:00:23 PM PDT by Andyman (The truth shall make you freep.)
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To: colorcountry; narses

To me, this would be the equivalent of a priest walking into a hospital and going around giving Mormons last rites for the Catholic church, without their permission.

That’d go over real well, now wouldn’t it?


27 posted on 05/02/2008 1:09:10 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: colorcountry
Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day Saints -- commonly known as Mormons -- for more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their ancestors baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife...

Question...If God honors the posthumous "baptisms", why would Catholics want to oppose God. If he does not honor these "baptisms", why should Catholics care what Mormons do?

30 posted on 05/02/2008 1:21:57 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (This is an Obama-nation!)
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To: colorcountry

Didn’t the cult say that they would quit bothering the Jews when they asked, won’t they just leave any faith alone when it is instructed to do so by that faith?


65 posted on 05/02/2008 3:28:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Texas, having to clean up Utah's latter day taints. this cult stuff sucks.)
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To: colorcountry

Since the Catholic Church teaches that Mormon baptisms are invalid—as I would have expected—it doesn’t seem to me to be a big deal. These posthumous Mormon baptisms are basically ineffectual.

Perhaps the Vatican issued the order not to share baptismal records with the Mormon Church because that might be mistakenly interpreted as some sort of recognition of their baptisms. Probably parish records should be kept private, in any case, unless someone seems to have a legitimate reason for wanting the information.

But frankly it doesn’t matter to me if anyone knows when and where I was born or baptised.


74 posted on 05/02/2008 6:56:08 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: colorcountry

Is this what’s got the church’s back to the wall in the 2000s.


81 posted on 05/02/2008 7:18:19 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: colorcountry

It must be tough when another church can convert your dead members.


82 posted on 05/02/2008 7:20:18 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: colorcountry
Keep your garmie's CLEAN!
100 posted on 05/03/2008 4:33:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Good news ping!


116 posted on 05/03/2008 5:10:16 AM PDT by NYer (Jesus whom I know as my Redeemer cannot be less than God. - St. Athanasius)
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To: colorcountry
Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day Saints

Wow. The ultimate re-write of history.

This is just plain bizarre.

Surely if a person wanted to be baptized as an adult, he could have chosen, of his own free will, to do so.

118 posted on 05/03/2008 5:33:52 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("resort not to force until every just law be defied")
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To: colorcountry
I do not know for certain (not being a theologian or scholar of canon law) but I would imagine that a Catholic priest or other Catholic official cooperating with the LDS (by providing parish records) would constitute tacit approval or agreement with the theology behind their request.

In short, now that the Catholic Church knows what the LDS is doing with these records that avenue of research is forever closed to them.

121 posted on 05/03/2008 6:59:24 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: colorcountry

I am a Roman Catholic and i really do not care if the LDS baptize the Names of my ancestors. Go ahead because it means absolutely nothing to me. I don’t believe in their baptism. It will have no effect on my ancestors.

Who cares....


167 posted on 05/04/2008 10:02:16 PM PDT by It's me
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