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1 posted on 03/21/2008 8:04:25 AM PDT by SmithL
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I agree. how is praying for anyone to come to be saved by Christ, going to harm them in anyway?


2 posted on 03/21/2008 8:13:13 AM PDT by raygunfan
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The Rev. Michael Wiener says a woman comes to Mass once a month by taxi from Modesto. Chronicle photo, 2007, by Katy Raddatz
3 posted on 03/21/2008 8:18:48 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; Desdemona; ...

Catholic ping!


5 posted on 03/21/2008 8:19:20 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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“...church grappling with the needs of a diverse membership...”

What do they want, a *latino* mass instead?


7 posted on 03/21/2008 8:22:37 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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Some question

Ahhh, the dreaded journalistic "some" who always criticize, question, or doubt anything good and decent.

A Pox on "some".

9 posted on 03/21/2008 8:26:37 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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The Rabbinical Assembly of Conservative Judaism released a resolution saying it was "disturbed and dismayed"

But were they "deeply saddened"?

10 posted on 03/21/2008 8:27:34 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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The Rev. Michael Wiener, who presides over the St. Margaret Mary's service

No, he doesn't. He offeres the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

11 posted on 03/21/2008 8:28:19 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Veddy interrestink! The print edition of the paper has this title in bold print:

LATIN MASS MAKING COMEBACK

then, below, a column wide subtitle:

Some ask whether
the traditional ritual
is right for the times

14 posted on 03/21/2008 8:35:25 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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20 posted on 03/21/2008 8:46:32 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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Interestingly enough, Fr. Michael Wiener (not to be confused with Michael Weiner, another resident of the Bay Area better known as Michael Savage) was interviewed back in July 2007 by the Chronicle about the Traditional Latin Mass and his conversion.

FINDING MY RELIGION: Oakland priest Michael Wiener has been celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass since 1999

21 posted on 03/21/2008 8:46:34 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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We hope to attend a Latin Easter Mass in a VERY small town an hour way. But I have a gout flare up, just can’t handle the clutch pedal well. Happy Easter to all.


33 posted on 03/21/2008 9:31:33 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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“But the revitalized tradition is drawing controversy. Some question whether the traditional rite is too outdated for a church grappling with the needs of a diverse membership and facing unprecedented challenges, such as an increasingly interreligious world.”

This is an argument against the Latin Mass? Absolutely incredible. Whose first language today (or, for that matter, in the past millenium-plus) is Latin? Part of what made the church “universal” for centuries is that the language of the Mass was exactly the same, universally. Which brings up an irony that still chafes: No sooner had the language-change occured, Catholics were suddenly and unaccountably provided with “liturgy” books in exactly the same language as what was spoken from the altar!

This goes right back to the octopus of diversity.


34 posted on 03/21/2008 9:41:35 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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Nice to know that there are still some actually Catholics stirring up controversey in Cali-fornication.

I'll pray for Fr. Wiener.
35 posted on 03/21/2008 9:42:27 AM PDT by Antoninus (Tell us how you came to Barack?)
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I wonder if everyone was crying when latin took over for local languages. I really don't know what this is all about.

If a local church wants a latin mass so be it. If it doesn't, so be it. All this scanctimony about pro and con is ridiculous. A

nd I can't believe the posters here who think latin is the traditional. The traditional is local language. That's what Pentecost was all about. Get over yourselves.

38 posted on 03/21/2008 9:53:29 AM PDT by purpleraine
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This is nonsense. I know this parish, I’ve been to Mass there, I know people who attend, and this is one of the parishes that had the indult before Summorum Pontificum, therefore have been practicing the “old” rite for years and years. There is no controversy, and they are not “under fire” by anyone except the San Francisco Chronicle.


55 posted on 03/21/2008 2:09:11 PM PDT by baa39
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Some = three atheists, two hippies and a partridge in a pear tree.


59 posted on 03/21/2008 5:16:35 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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Pray also for the writer and editors at SFGate for their ignorance and bigotry in publishing this much ado about nothing article. I wonder how they feel about Pastor Wright’s damnations from the pulpit? Or about the incendiary jihadists that likely exist in one or more mosques in the City of St. Francis? Pray also for Professor Parrella, who took the deposit of Faith that was handed down to him through the blood of martyrs and twisted it into self-worship of spiritual humanism. The Latin Mass faithful are “shopping” only for authentic Catholicism true to Tradition and the Magisterium; they are not cafeteria Catholics shopping for permission to sin.


60 posted on 03/21/2008 5:44:12 PM PDT by informavoracious (Oremus et pro Iudaeis.)
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