Wow. And they say Obama has a problem with his conspiracy-minded pastor.
Pius XII was saving more than 800,000 Jews
A number pulled from the ether. It is fiction. Quix says he saved 300,000 and blue-duncan another 250,000 (his numbers are lower since he was busy writing the Magna Carta).
Disprove it.
Pius XII was targeted by Hitler for kidnapping or assassination.
Lucky for Pacelli, we know what bad shots those nazis were. If Hitler wanted you dead, you had a pretty good chance of surviving. If you were a sympathizer, that is, and not a Jew.
And yet he had no great army to defend him!
Obviously, Pacelli didn't need an army. He not only survived; he THRIVED into decrepitude!
Hitler hated him, wanted to kill him and could easily have done so
"Easily?" That really begs the question.
Why didn't Hitler kill Pacelli? Why are there no stories about death threats or evil plots against Pacelli, etc., if Hitler hated him so much?
The answer is obvious. Pacelli was a willing and useful tool in the hands of national socialism. He was protected.
Oh, dear! Now we've gone and exposed another hole in the story. I suppose we should prepare ourselves for some "long-lost documents" that will soon emerge which reveal "for the first time anywhere" intricate death threats made against the slumbering Pacelli by all those inept nazis he saluted.
You wrote:
“Wow. And they say Obama has a problem with his conspiracy-minded pastor.”
It’s simply true. Until Hitler declared war on the US we had done little for European Jews.
“A number pulled from the ether. It is fiction. Quix says he saved 300,000 and blue-duncan another 250,000 (his numbers are lower since he was busy writing the Magna Carta).”
Jewish historians on the other hand say he saved more than 800,000. Pinchas Lapide and Jeno Levai knew more than Quix or blue-duncan.
“Disprove it.”
Disprove what? Are you honestly asking me to prove that blue-duncan did not write the Magna Carta? Are you kidding?
Okay. MC was written in 1215 and signed on the field of Runneymede. blue-duncan is less than 700 years old (snicker), and therefore, he could not have written the Magna Carta. Also, blue-duncan is not an English baron,or a bishop, or an abbot, and he is not Catholic. All the authors of the MC were English barons, bishops, abbots, and Catholic. Nor was blue-duncan a Knight Templar, or a Welsh or Scots prince either.
So what do we know:
blue-duncan, the poster at Freerepublic.com, did not exist in 1215 and therefore could not have been an author of the document.
blue-duncan, the poster at Freerepublic.com, was not any of them who signed the document and dictated its contents since they have all died.
“Lucky for Pacelli, we know what bad shots those nazis were. If Hitler wanted you dead, you had a pretty good chance of surviving. If you were a sympathizer, that is, and not a Jew.”
Wow, the usual nonsense from the anti-Catholic side. Hitler wanted Pius XII dead. It was his own men who more than once found ways to thwart his orders or demands because they knew killing the pope would damage their cause because it would be an absolute given the Nazis committed the crime.
“Obviously, Pacelli didn’t need an army. He not only survived; he THRIVED into decrepitude!”
He survived because of God’s mercy and that’s the only reason any of us would survive a war.
“”Easily?” That really begs the question.”
What question? And the fact that Hitler easily had the power to kill Pius - no one doubts that - does not mean his own officers had the desire to carry out that order.
“Why didn’t Hitler kill Pacelli? Why are there no stories about death threats or evil plots against Pacelli, etc., if Hitler hated him so much?’
There are such stories. http://www.powells.com/biblio?show=HARDCOVER:SALE:9780306814686:20.95
And if you read the Milan newspaper (gee, how’s your Italian?), Il Giornale, July 5, 1998, you’ll see that they printed the contents of a document from Hitler demanding the murder of Pius XII and all the Roman cardinals in the Vatican. The operation was to be called “Rabat-Fohn” and carried out by the “Florian Geyer” SS division. By the way, the document gives the reason for the ordered assassination: “The Papal Protest in Favor of the Jews.” This is discussed in several books.
“The answer is obvious. Pacelli was a willing and useful tool in the hands of national socialism. He was protected.”
No, he was protected by God and the prayers of the faithful.
“Oh, dear! Now we’ve gone and exposed another hole in the story. I suppose we should prepare ourselves for some “long-lost documents” that will soon emerge which reveal “for the first time anywhere” intricate death threats made against the slumbering Pacelli by all those inept nazis he saluted.”
Nope. The documents are already public information. Ever read the testimony of SS General Wolfe? He was spoke about the orders from Hitler to kidnap Pius XII and kill all the cardinals in 1972 and 1984. This is old news. It’s history. Why don’t you know it?