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Martin Luther: Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor
Catholic Apologetics ^ | Peter F. Wiener

Posted on 03/15/2008 10:17:55 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper

More than once during these talks I referred to Luther and what always occurred to me as his destructive influence. I pointed out that even in such an admirable book as Rohan Butler's “The Roots of National Socialism” the spiritual origins of Nazism and Luther's influence had not been given the necessary importance. Then I was asked if I would be prepared to elaborate to them—about a dozen of the very senior boys, that is—my own views on Luther and Lutheranism. I agreed—with the proviso that they would be my own views and nothing else. Admittedly, I had read more on Luther and about Luther than on most other subjects. But I wanted to make it quite clear that I would not speak to them with the voice of a great authority, but would merely give them my own interpretation. I told them, moreover, that I should try to prove how dangerous it is to accept legends; and that the picture I had of Luther and his influence was thoroughly contradictory of the customary Luther of the legend.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholicism; christians; hitler; holocaust; israel; jews; judaism; luther; lutheran; martinluther; nazi; nazism; protestantism
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

You wrote:

“Haven seen one of those lately.”

I didn’t ask if you had. Are they childish?


741 posted on 03/16/2008 5:37:04 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
I didn’t ask if you had. Are they childish?

Well have to see one first before I can answer that.

742 posted on 03/16/2008 5:38:06 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; Kolokotronis

I am sure our Orthodox brothers and sisters would be glad to entertain whatever calumny you have to post about one of the great saints of the Orthodox Churches, as well as Eastern Rite Catholics.


743 posted on 03/16/2008 5:38:21 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("...millions hate what they mistakenly think that the Catholic Church is." ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen)
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To: vladimir998

You must have it rough if they are anything close to the RC rep stalkers hereon.


744 posted on 03/16/2008 5:38:55 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

You wrote:

“Well have to see one first before I can answer that.”

You know what they’re like if you can say you haven’t seen one lately so you should be able to give an answer. Have some courage.


745 posted on 03/16/2008 5:40:20 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: big'ol_freeper
I am sure our Orthodox brothers and sisters would be glad to entertain whatever calumny you have to post about one of the great saints of the Orthodox Churches, as well as Eastern Rite Catholics.

Lol. Whats the matter? Can stand up for yourself? What happened to all this intellect?

746 posted on 03/16/2008 5:42:26 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Quix

You wrote:

“You must have it rough if they are anything close to the RC rep stalkers hereon.”

I don’t mean here. This nutcase used to follow me here just to antagonize me ELSEWHERE. If someone posts to me here I could care less. Do you have Catholics following you from one webforum to another? I doubt it.


747 posted on 03/16/2008 5:42:48 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
You know what they’re like if you can say you haven’t seen one lately so you should be able to give an answer. Have some courage.

I've seen threads disagreeing with things Catholic. I don't consider those "anti-catholic" like most of you thinskinned whinners.

748 posted on 03/16/2008 5:44:45 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

You wrote:

“I’ve seen threads disagreeing with things Catholic. I don’t consider those “anti-catholic” like most of you thinskinned whinners.”

But you said you had not seen one lately which means they have been posted here in the past and you have seen them. Are they childish? Come on now, be brave and actually answer the question.


749 posted on 03/16/2008 5:47:20 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
But you said you had not seen one lately which means they have been posted here in the past and you have seen them. Are they childish? Come on now, be brave and actually answer the question.

I misspoke. I've not seen any.

750 posted on 03/16/2008 5:48:53 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

You wrote:

“I misspoke. I’ve not seen any.”

LOL! And now the story changes. Of course.


751 posted on 03/16/2008 5:51:44 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
LOL! And now the story changes. Of course.

I' m sorry. Have you never misspoke?

752 posted on 03/16/2008 5:52:48 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: vladimir998
Are anti-Catholic threads childish?

Asking anti-Catholics about things anti-Catholic is like asking an anorexic if she is too skinny.

753 posted on 03/16/2008 5:53:28 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
Asking anti-Catholics about things anti-Catholic is like asking an anorexic if she is too skinny.

That's funny. The same analogy would apply in asking a Catholic about anti-semitism.

754 posted on 03/16/2008 5:54:51 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: vladimir998

Thankfully, no.

I don’t post that many places.

They do seem to follow me from one thread to the other, here, though—to personally assault and deride.

Seems like they assume for themselves extra dispensations . . . must be that . . . what’s it called . . . indulgences thing.

They expect Prottys and forum moderators to indulge them and conform to their sensibilities while they run roughshod routinely over everyone else’s.

Perhaps they learned such skills and strategies from ‘channeling’ one of Magnificent Magical Mary’s Heavenly classes?


755 posted on 03/16/2008 5:56:25 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: big'ol_freeper

This is “Catholic Apologetics?” Save the fire for Obama.


756 posted on 03/16/2008 5:58:54 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
The same analogy would apply in asking a Catholic about anti-semitism.

Well, no. That would presume that all Catholics are anti-semites.

757 posted on 03/16/2008 6:01:08 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
Well, no. That would presume that all Catholics are anti-semites.

Well ya. The analogy applies even when asking the non-antisemetic catholics.

758 posted on 03/16/2008 6:09:25 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

You wrote:

“I’ m sorry. Have you never misspoke?”

You first wrote this:

“Haven seen one of those lately.”

And then in another post:

“Well have to see one first before I can answer that.”

Then, after asking for the second of third time, you wrote:

“I’ve seen threads disagreeing with things Catholic. I don’t consider those “anti-catholic” like most of you thinskinned whinners.”

Again, I asked the same question. You responded with:

“I misspoke. I’ve not seen any.”

So, I simply have no reason to believe you’ve never seen one. Is it childish to make a claim, have the table turned on you, and refuse to respond to a similar point? Yeah, it is. I might as well answer the question for you since you’ll probably refuse to do so and change your story anyway.


759 posted on 03/16/2008 6:10:22 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998; Titanites; wmfights; Quix; Marysecretary; ConservativeMind; xzins; blue-duncan
lol. Yes, I've read the book, Vlad. And you should, too. And so should Titanites and anyone who wants a clearer picture of Pacelli.

However, you and Titanites seem to disagree because you provide glowing reviews from people who surely must have read the book and couldn't possibly be planted stooges on Amazon, while Titanites is offering a very negative review of the book.

Someone must be telling tales, don't you think? Here's another review from Amazon...

What is one to say about a concoction allegedly based on her life, appearing in the United States under the title La Popessa? This is a world apart from the genuine memoirs of the nun; it is a world of arbitrary invention, carried at times to the wildest extremes. I refrain from giving examples, with which I could fill scores of pages of this book. Sister Pascalina was simply the Pope's housekeeper, yet to her is attributed a throughout [sic] knowledge of the most involved Church affairs, a memory of conversations of sixty years earlier, a brashness in dealing with high ecclesiastics, and power and influence over the Pope, all utterly without documentation, utterly unbelievable: she actually composed with the Pope one of the greatest theological encyclicals in the history of the Papacy, Mystici Corporis Christi! "The pseudo-Pascalina book", says Fr Graham, "is at best a practical joke on an unsuspecting public. At worst, it is a new low in U.S. book publishing."

So which is it? A great book that vindicates Pacelli or another book that slanders him and his "secretary."

To me "La Popess" is, as I said, a fascinating read and a further glimpse into the very strange life of Pacelli and those who have and continue to defend him.

760 posted on 03/16/2008 6:10:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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