Posted on 03/15/2008 10:17:55 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
More than once during these talks I referred to Luther and what always occurred to me as his destructive influence. I pointed out that even in such an admirable book as Rohan Butler's “The Roots of National Socialism” the spiritual origins of Nazism and Luther's influence had not been given the necessary importance. Then I was asked if I would be prepared to elaborate to them—about a dozen of the very senior boys, that is—my own views on Luther and Lutheranism. I agreed—with the proviso that they would be my own views and nothing else. Admittedly, I had read more on Luther and about Luther than on most other subjects. But I wanted to make it quite clear that I would not speak to them with the voice of a great authority, but would merely give them my own interpretation. I told them, moreover, that I should try to prove how dangerous it is to accept legends; and that the picture I had of Luther and his influence was thoroughly contradictory of the customary Luther of the legend.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicapologetics.info ...
Amazon is our friend. You should try it sometime. Instead of relying on some website, you could actually BUY THE BOOK.
A novel approach in this internet age. But it makes for greater comprehension.
You wrote:
“You mean the sister Pascalina who was a German nun who lived with Pacelli for decades? That “secretary?” “
1) She was a secretary so why put the word in quote marks?
2) What does it matter that she was German (actually Bavarian)? Did that make her less of a nun?
3) Do you have any evidence at all that she was lying?
“That secretary whose name was really Lehnert and whose biography is entitled, “La Popessa: The Controversial Biography of Sister Pascalina, the Most Powerful Woman in Vatican History.””
Her autobiography is entitled, Ich durfte Ihm Dienen, Naumann, Würzburg, 1982, 1986.
Mr. Eko..we finally agree on something. A book in hand is always better than digits.
What hat did you pull this out of?
When did any Protestant sects ever excommunicate any Nazis?
You really have no understanding of Protestant churches at all, do you?
We're certainly not to believe our lying eyes.
2) Thanks to Pacelli and the Enabling Acts, Hitler assumed control of Germany. As head of the state, he replaced most Protestant ministers with Germans who were accommodating to the Third Reich.
Hitler didn't have to do this with Catholic priests. Pacelli told them to cooperate with the Nazis, and they did. In spades.
You wrote:
“No, I’m using my copy of Guenter Lewy’s book which I’m holding in my hand. It’s right next to the other three books I’ve referred to on this thread by Kertner and Goldhagen and Cornwell.”
I don’t think so. After all, the “( p. 3)” wouldn’t have been on the page in the book at the end of the quote but it is in exactly that place on the website. Usually people list page numbers at the end of book titles, not passages unless they already mentioned the book title. Sorry, with your track record, I have no reason to think you’re being honest when the evidence suggests otherwise.
“Amazon is our friend. You should try it sometime. Instead of relying on some website, you could actually BUY THE BOOK.”
I buy quite a few books every year. I am in fact waiting for three packages from Amazon.com right now. And by your posts, I can tell I’m better read than you are.
“A novel approach in this internet age. But it makes for greater comprehension.”
I pointed out YOU were using the internet. Deal with it. You’ve been caught relying on a liberal webpage. Typical.
It’s a fascinating book about “La Popessa.” I’ve read it. Have you?
You wrote:
“What hat did you pull this out of?”
Your quote. You really don’t know how to examine historical info do you?
“You really have no understanding of Protestant churches at all, do you?”
You mean Lutherans and Reformed sects could not excommunicate their members? Isn’t that a basic Biblical tool to be used to discipline members? Isn’t that proof those sects aren’t even remotely related to the Bible?
Yeah, it is.
You can let your imigination run wild or maybe Baptist minister Francis Bellamy can shed some light on your question.
You wrote:
“It’s a fascinating book about “La Popessa.” I’ve read it. Have you?”
No.
Ever read Rychlak’s book on Pius XII which refutes Cornwell?
And again, why did you put secretary in quote marks? Do you have the guts to answer that question or not?
Give me your address and I'll send you a snapshot.
You wrote:
“I could take a photo of me with these four, now five (Popessa) books and you’d still not believe it.”
1) Would I have any reason to believe you?
2) Having the books does not mean you didn’t get the quote from the website I linked to.
“Give me your address and I’ll send you a snapshot.”
No. One Protestant stalker is enough. I have that one. I don’t want another.
Yes, that one.
That secretary whose name was really Lehnert
Her name was "really" Pascalina Lehnert. I suppose you would know that if you had ready her biography.
whose biography is entitled, "La Popessa: The Controversial Biography of Sister Pascalina, the Most Powerful Woman in Vatican History."
That is the title of one of the biographies about her. Here is a comment about the biography you seem to prefer (based on your recommendation):
Not true. Her Casa Pastor Angelicus is indeed set on a hill, Monte Mario in Rome, but as Rome and Monte Mario goes, far away from any sea. It is geographically impossible to overlook the Tyrrhenian Sea from Monte Mario in Rome. Wikipedia: …The Tyrrhenian Sea ... is part of the Mediterranean Sea off of the western coast of Italy. It is bounded by Corsica and Sardinia (west) Liguria (north)....Other statements, too numerous to mention, are equally funny.
Even more powerful than "Popess Joan"? Wow.
You wrote:
“It’s a fascinating book about “La Popessa.” I’ve read it. Have you?”
Wait. Are you sure YOU read it?
Here is what one reviewer wrote at Amazon.com:
“The book puts the lie once and for all to the notion that the Catholic Church abandoned Jews to Hitler during WWII. In fact, as the book reveals, the Papacy saved more Jews from the Germans than all other public and private relief agencies combined. Pius XII, a master of diplomacy, negotiated brilliantly with the Nazi commandant of the German occupation force to bring this about.”
Wow, the book you tout actually vindicates EXACTLY what we have been saying about Pius XII? Gee, that is FASCINATING!
The reviewer finishes with:
“Highly recommended. A real poke in the eye for revisionists, bigots and racists - who have been screaming about it ever since it was published.”
Huh, imagine that?!
Deny it all ya want. I know when I hit nerves. It was really childish of you to post this thread.
You wrote:
“Deny it all ya want. I know when I hit nerves. It was really childish of you to post this thread.”
Are anti-Catholic threads childish?
John Chrysostom. Think I’ll post some of his quotes.
That way the thread would seem to be fair and balanced.
Haven seen one of those lately.
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